UnionFacts

[LePaul]

These ads have been running on TV here and they are spot on.  Check the videos

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Disclaimer:  I know there are a few good unions out there (Airline Pilots, etc)...but there's also some pretty bad ones too (Teamsters, etc).

Enjoy!

[midnight Target]

Unions are an anachronism. Any company with a union probably deserves it.

[Roundeye]

Oh great, a union-busting org.  Not surprising since unions are a companys worst nightmare. 

Imagine having your workers organize and force you to pay them what they are actually worth, force you to lay off new hires first, force you to provide an affordable health insurance plan and force you to provide a retirement that can actually be lived off of.  The nerve of those union organizers!

Of course there are bad apples in every barrel, but I can tell you this from experience:

 I work in the aviation industry and I'm a member of the IAM&AW (International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers).  This area is heavy with aviation industy, but ours is one of only 2 that is union.  We are the highest paid and have the best insurance and retirement package along with job security.  No coincidence.

 Another bonus is it eliminates arse-kissers.  Advances in pay and position are done by seniority.  I'm sure you've been burnt in the past like I have seen in non-union shops.....see the boss's golfing buddy get promoted faster than people who've been there longer and know the job better.

 The people in those videos are actors.  Ask a real union member if union dues are so bad then how about getting rid of it?  Then your pay can be slashed and your heath care cost skyrocket and you can do nothing about it.  Those dues would not look so bad then.

Those ads are sponsored by companies.  Angry employees could simply quit if they didn't like unions.........companies have no choice but to be fair and they hate that.

[Mr Hanky]

Another bonus is it eliminates arse-kissers.  Advances in pay and position are done by seniority.  I'm sure you've been burnt in the past like I have seen in non-union shops.....see the boss's golfing buddy get promoted faster than people who've been there longer and know the job better.

It also eliminates the possibility of promoting based on competency. No more promoting the best worker.

[bcadoo]

Unions are an anachronism. Any company with a union probably deserves it.

Very, very true.  My first job out of college was running a freight dock for a unionized trucking company.  I had some guys who could work their tails off and I had some who I wondered how they ever got hired on as a 'regular' employee.  I had to treat them both the same and pay them both the same thanks to the union.  That company is no longer in business in part due to over capacity in the industry but also because their cost of labor was too high.

The company v. union paradigm is what is the true anachronism.  Both need to wake up and realize that unless they work together to make a profit they both will cease to exist.

[bj229r]

Imagine having your workers organize and force you to pay them what they are actually worth, force you to lay off new hires first, force you to provide an affordable health insurance plan and force you to provide a retirement that can actually be lived off of.  The nerve of those union organizers!

Imagine your company going under due to labor costs of paying 100,000 a year to people with 8th grade educations, as well as funding their pension plan for the rest of their lives....imagine your company moving to Mexico

[Airhead]

Back in The Day (the 70s) I wrote pieces like that- admittedly mine were more liberal leaning, but the one thing an author needs is sheer gullibality in its audiance. This is a good example- it's alot easier to convince someone who's never been married, has no children, and lives in their Mother's basement that ten dollars an hour is a fair wage than it is to convince the guy with a wife and kids who has 20 years in his trade that ten dollars an hour is a fair wage.

[indy007]

Another bonus is it eliminates arse-kissers.  Advances in pay and position are done by seniority.

Seniority does not make somebody competent. I've seen more absolute morons promoted because of seniority than being a golf-buddy.

Any employee of mine that attempted to unionize will be looking for a new job within an hour. You're paid on what you produce for the company.

Fair compensation based on skill and merit... gee golly, who woulda thought it possible without corporate blackmail.   Commission. The greatest motivator ever.

[Roundeye]

It also eliminates the possibility of promoting based on competency. No more promoting the best worker.

May be true in some cases, but in ours you must pass tests and have qualifications to even be able to apply for certain classifications.

[Airhead]

...funding their pension plan for the rest of their lives....

LOL, So do you think we should only offer a pension for the first 15 years of retirement? Say, til they're 75, and then cut them off?

A-MAZ-in'.  

[bj229r]

LOL, So do you think we should only offer a pension for the first 15 years of retirement? Say, til they're 75, and then cut them off?

A-MAZ-in'. 

Get a 401k like everyone else?

(Actually I was thinking of GM and their medical when I typed that, but 401k is the norm, rather than the exception nowadays)

[sluggish]

This is teh funny.  I love propaganda.  Especially when it's so exaggerated that it's cartoonish.

[Roundeye]

I'm not saying it is a perfect system.  You have to take the good with the bad.  But looking at the big picture, I'm alot better off with it.  By far.  All I've got to do is look around at what else is in this area.

As far as forcing the company to move....unless Uncle Sam takes his aircraft maintenance to Mexico, I'm not sweating it.  Competency?  You decide:

Over the past 50 years, our local lodge Union workers have provided the maintenance and logistics to achieve over 9 million flight hours for our customer without a maintenance related accident.

Again, I'm not saying it's perfect or for everyone.  You have to look at things in a case-by-case basis.  No doubt ours fits here.

[texasmom]

I'm not saying it is a perfect system.  You have to take the good with the bad. 

Why do you have to take the good with the bad regarding Unions? Isn't that the exact same thing they're trying to prevent regarding the companies they pit against?

[sluggish]

The bottom line is the worker's right to organize.  As was already stated, most businesses that go union deserve it.  Take away the threat of the union, and businesses have no reason NOT to mistreat their employees.  Read about the robber barons and the dawn of the industrial revolution.  Those who do not learn from history are surely doomed to repeat it.