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Offline Coshy

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Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« on: June 04, 2008, 07:11:41 AM »
Now that the Democrats are done diddling around with each other and their 'thuper' delegates the real race can begin.

The question is simple: Can Obama win against McCain?

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2008, 07:22:07 AM »
If the playing field were level....no.

However, the playing field isn't level.  With the majority of the national media in his hip pocket, and the same media's less than veiled hostility toward anything and anyone Republican, Obama will have a down-hill run toward the presidency.  McCain, on the other hand, will have to labor up a 45 degree slope to reach the same goal.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2008, 07:29:31 AM »
If they pair Hillary with him, then he will lose my vote.  I do not believe we can afford to have that woman anywhere near the White House.

It is going to be another one of those, "I am not voting for anyone, as much as I am voting against someone" elections.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2008, 07:54:12 AM »
I think it will be a close race between these two democrats, with McCain coming out on top. (He's truly not a republican, and he's DEFINATELY not a conservative)

I said last year, I just don't think America is ready to elect a black man. Too many closet racists out there.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 07:58:30 AM »
I am concerned McCain will bow to the wind to easily though.  I hope I am wrong.  He just does not come off as a strong leader, to me.

I think Obama will win as our country seems to have a fetish concerning doing the socially popular thing, as opposed to doing the right thing.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 08:00:07 AM »
McCain is far less liberal than osama.   I think he will win.  I think osama lost the white guilt vote and the woman vote.   Women are all for things like afirmative action and extra rights so long as it is them that are getting the lions share.. they are not happy when they get passed over by a man..  any color or shade of man.

As for McCain?  He did have a very good interview in the "Rifleman" (NRA).. he seemed very solid on the second at least.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 08:03:39 AM »
Rip, I respectfully disagree.  Many Americans are willing to vote for a black for president.  Many conservatives were, apparently prepared and willing to vote for Colin Powell in our previous elections, if he had thrown his hat into the ring.

Those same people would not vote for Obama....simply because of his extreme-leftist politics and his association with unsavory public figures.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2008, 08:09:12 AM »
Rip, I respectfully disagree.  Many Americans are willing to vote for a black for president.  Many conservatives were, apparently prepared and willing to vote for Colin Powell in our previous elections, if he had thrown his hat into the ring.
Though I may agree with you, voter turn out would be essential for this to be true.  2004 yielded 64% which was the highest since 1968.  I hope it's even higher in 2008 (not saying I want the Dems to win, just cheering on what we have left of democracy).
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 08:10:54 AM »
Obama/Billary beats McCain/Anybody without breaking a sweat.

Pure Obam v McCain.... polls report it as very close right now. I give a slight nod to the Big Bama but it's still pre-game. Lots of opportunities to goof up before November.
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 08:17:27 AM »
Well, how many times has a politician actually done what they said they were going to do? It is all rhetoric at this point.

Obama's lack of experience in the political arena concerns me.  A President has to be able to play politics to get anything done. An unfortunate truth.  I can see Obama easily being manipulated by the people surrounding him. An aspect prevalent in the Bush regime.

Then on the other hand.  McCain comes off as someone who will drift with public opinion.  Wishy-washy maybe. If McCain can avoid that, he might be a good choice for President.

I think we desperately need a strong leader in the White House. It is going to take a savvy and strong person to undo what the Bush regime has done to this country.  I am not even considering being able to move forward.  I think that will be a long time coming.
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2008, 08:17:47 AM »
Obama's association with racist ministers and elitist socialist Hollywood/intellectual ex-bomber types may well sink him in the general election.  On the other hand, he has the media running interference for him, so....

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 08:21:31 AM »
I don't think the outcome will turn on race or party affiliation. I think it will boil down to which candidate generates the most gut-level trust in the bellies of voters.

I think many voters who are "Democrats" will get inside the privacy of the booth and act on instinct rather than party affiliation.

Unless McCain's campaign really screws this up, I think the end game will result in many people realizing that no matter how attractive Obama is (admit it, on many levels he is) and how attractive regime change is, McCain has proven in the past he can be trusted to honor the nations best interest over any personal considerations. Obama, having relatively little record to stand upon, will lose the election due to this factor.
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2008, 08:38:20 AM »
It depends if most voters can tell the difference between a talker and a doer, and if its more important to elect the first dark skinned President than it is to elect a moderate President.

Obama can talk all he wants about crossing the aisle, but its just talk. Only one candidate has done that to a point he has earned scorn from his own party - John McCain. John McCain has a long history of bipartisanship and Obama has a good speech and a history of partisan politics.
John McCain has a history of dealing with oppressive regimes and a realistic view of what can and what can't be accomplished in a Presidents term. Obama has a good speech, a slip of the tongue and a contrived "plan" of dealing with oppressive regimes because of that slip of the tongue.

Obama can part the Red Sea, McCain can't.

I'd still bet on McCain. I'd hate to think Oprah bought the Presidency.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2008, 08:42:27 AM »
The question is simple: Can Obama win against McCain?

No. 

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2008, 08:43:16 AM »
I would rather not see Obama as the new President.  Unfortunately too may idiots in this country are caught up with his prepared speeches and unsubstantiated message of change.  He is nothing but an empty suit.  Then again, McCain is really no dinger. 


It's really sad that our nation has put forth these two as our choices to be the next President.  Makes me really hope a really good independent candidate would step forth.
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