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Offline Shuckins

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #75 on: June 05, 2008, 11:39:16 PM »
Trouble is brewing amongst the long-time Democratic faithful;  those working class elderly voters in the South and Midwest who grew up during the Great Depression and drifted into the Democratic camp because of the New Deal promises of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  People who, like my parents, have never voted for a Republican candidate for president.  Never.  For a variety of reasons, they are not going to vote for Obama.  I've talked to a number of them over the last few weeks, and that decision to abandon the Democrats, at least as far as the Presidential election is concerned, has been unanimous.  

The reasons include, but are not limited to, the following:  Obama's liberal policies (higher taxes, gun control, etc.);  disgust with his choice of friends;  distrust of his religious affiliations, i.e. the belief that he is a closet muslim;  anger that he refuses to honor his country and flag during the national anthem;  and, for some, racism.  

The diatribes by the Reverend Wright and Reverend Pfleger have caused more damage to Obama's support in this demographic group that the national media is willing to admit.  These voters don't believe Obama when he says that he did not know about Wright's radical racist and political views.  In that, and on other issues, they don't trust Obama as far as they can throw him.  

While I can only speak about the views of people who run in my, admittedly, small circle....I feel that this is a trend that is widespread....in the South and large portions of the Midwest.  

This is going to come as a nasty shock to those running the DNC....but they have nobody to blame but themselves.  With each presidential election that rolls around, it seems that the candidates that they nominate to run are even more liberal than the ones they chose to run in the last election.

They're going to fall on their own sword.  




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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2008, 12:46:03 AM »
Yes but doesn't he turn 72 next year? Hence he wouldn't get a Chief Exec job in any company no matter how good you think his CV might look.


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This is my major problem with McCain. I believe McCain would be better than GWB (who's been an utter, utter disaster for this country, the extent of which will take years to realize). I'm just not sure electing someone who could turn 80 in office is the right thing to do.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2008, 01:42:26 AM »
I'm just not sure electing someone who could turn 80 in office is the right thing to do.

So we can't elect McCain because of the age of his skin, and we can't elect Obama because of the color of his skin.
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2008, 02:17:58 AM »
So we can't elect McCain because of the age of his skin, and we can't elect Obama because of the color of his skin.

What does the constitution says happens if everyone abstains on the grounds of all candidates being mince?

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2008, 04:43:17 AM »
Trouble is brewing amongst the long-time Democratic faithful;  those working class elderly voters in the South and Midwest who grew up during the Great Depression and drifted into the Democratic camp because of the New Deal promises of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  People who, like my parents, have never voted for a Republican candidate for president.  Never.  For a variety of reasons, they are not going to vote for Obama.  I've talked to a number of them over the last few weeks, and that decision to abandon the Democrats, at least as far as the Presidential election is concerned, has been unanimous.  

The reasons include, but are not limited to, the following:  Obama's liberal policies (higher taxes, gun control, etc.);  disgust with his choice of friends;  distrust of his religious affiliations, i.e. the belief that he is a closet muslim;  anger that he refuses to honor his country and flag during the national anthem;  and, for some, racism.  

The diatribes by the Reverend Wright and Reverend Pfleger have caused more damage to Obama's support in this demographic group that the national media is willing to admit.  These voters don't believe Obama when he says that he did not know about Wright's radical racist and political views.  In that, and on other issues, they don't trust Obama as far as they can throw him.  

While I can only speak about the views of people who run in my, admittedly, small circle....I feel that this is a trend that is widespread....in the South and large portions of the Midwest.  

Keep posting.  Good one there.  Dad was born in '20, Mom in '24.  Both passed now.  Funny how their values are now my values , much more so as I've aged.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2008, 05:30:24 AM »
Keep posting.  Good one there.  Dad was born in '20, Mom in '24.  Both passed now.  Funny how their values are now my values , much more so as I've aged.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2008, 07:43:53 AM »
Trouble is brewing amongst the long-time Democratic faithful;  those working class elderly voters in the South and Midwest who grew up during the Great Depression and drifted into the Democratic camp because of the New Deal promises of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  People who, like my parents, have never voted for a Republican candidate for president.  Never.  For a variety of reasons, they are not going to vote for Obama.  I've talked to a number of them over the last few weeks, and that decision to abandon the Democrats, at least as far as the Presidential election is concerned, has been unanimous.  

The reasons include, but are not limited to, the following:  Obama's liberal policies (higher taxes, gun control, etc.);  disgust with his choice of friends;  distrust of his religious affiliations, i.e. the belief that he is a closet muslim;  anger that he refuses to honor his country and flag during the national anthem;  and, for some, racism.  

The diatribes by the Reverend Wright and Reverend Pfleger have caused more damage to Obama's support in this demographic group that the national media is willing to admit.  These voters don't believe Obama when he says that he did not know about Wright's radical racist and political views.  In that, and on other issues, they don't trust Obama as far as they can throw him.  

While I can only speak about the views of people who run in my, admittedly, small circle....I feel that this is a trend that is widespread....in the South and large portions of the Midwest.  

This is going to come as a nasty shock to those running the DNC....but they have nobody to blame but themselves.  With each presidential election that rolls around, it seems that the candidates that they nominate to run are even more liberal than the ones they chose to run in the last election.

They're going to fall on their own sword.  




I have the opportunity to service many condos here in south florida (yes the ones where some of you folks send your elderly parents to await the inevitable) as I go about my business on some of these service calls I have the pleasure of being able to converse with some of these very same old timers you refer to shuckins, they are curious about what I'm doing (and like to tell me about how it would have been done better up north :D)  I steer the conversation to politics when I can and what you are saying is almost uniformly correct.  the dems will lose a large base within that voting block with senator obama which they might have kept with senator clinton.  in any event time will tell soon enough.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2008, 08:53:16 AM »
I do not believe obama will pick hillary. He'll pick a white guy who is moderate.  Strategically, this is the only move that makes sense, IMHO.
Having a pair of leftists on the ticket doesn't make sense to me... YMMV

Frode, I understand but I'll stand by it: I do not think Obama is electible.  Even at this date, with the populace as pathetic and uneducated as it is, with the leftist nutjobs screaming from the bully pulpit almost unopposed, I refuse to believe that anyone but Bush haters and left wing nutjobs will vote for Obama.   He simply has almost zero credentials.  I've asked many times on this board, what has he done?  always get crickets.

Because he has done nothing that demonstrates he would make a good or even adequate President. Its obvious he is the candidate of race. Those who make up the left of the media have reached a consensus that this is the year to elect a dark skinned President. It doesn't matter that he is an empty suit. He's half black! Geraldine Ferraro was exactly right in stating that if Obama were white, he would have never been considered a serious contender. Its a simple fact he is all talk and no experience. He wants people to place their faith in his stellar judgement of voting against the Iraq War. That judgement doesn't seem so stellar after his parade of long time friends.

I agree he's unelectable or even considered seriously outside of the Kool aid crowd.

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2008, 09:04:58 AM »
I think that shuckins is right... I think that southerners and whites in general are about fed up with being the blame for every problem that exists... 

I am pretty sure that a message of "changing the hope" that is also full of blame and works on white guilt will backfire. 

People may see past the color and see that no matter what color osama husien is this week.. he is a ultra left wing socialist racist.

He is giving the white guilt voter a good reason to not have to vote for him.

The only thing he has going for him is a good speaking voice.. but so did Thompson... What will happen is that he will get slaughtered in the debates with McCain..  Uhhh uhhhh Uhhh won't get it. 

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2008, 09:24:17 AM »
What will happen is that he will get slaughtered in the debates with McCain..  Uhhh uhhhh Uhhh won't get it. 

Gore trumped Bush in the debates.  The media hailed Bush nonetheless.  Weird. 

Media?  How much to they shape results?

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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2008, 06:33:00 PM »
What does the constitution says happens if everyone abstains on the grounds of all candidates being mince?
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Re: Now the real election question, can Obama win over McCain
« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2008, 10:46:58 AM »
hap.. I musta seen different debates.. gore came off like an idiot.

But...

My last ex's new husband is retired and makes a bunch.. between em they make plenty.... they have free health care and about everything they need..

He is all atwitter at osamabama...  I asked him why.. he claims that osama will make the best pres we have ever had.. I asked him why.. he doesn't know.

He did say that osama told him (musta been him personally) that there would be no federal tax on anyone making less than 100,000 a year ADJUSTED GROSS INCOME  That would happen to be them if they filed seperately...

Has anyone heard such a thing?    I pointed out that the best analysis showed that under osama.. the tax burden for people under $75,000 would increase by $2,000 as would the price of all goods especially those that took power.   He said...  "you might be right"   I might be right?  and yet he is still gonna vote for the guy??

In the end.. he claimed that anyone who didn't vote for osamabama was a racist.   He feels that osama will win by 65%... probly true in kalifornia..   It all depends on who you talk too.. he is the first person I have talked to who will vote for osama.

He and my ex were outraged by gas prices and the profit oil makes...  I told them that tax is more.. I told them that osama adding a buck a gallon in tax is not gonna help em.. I told em that it is democrats who stop us from building nuke plants and drilling for the oil we have...

Still..  They feel that anyone who doesn't vote for osama is a racist.

They did agree that if hillary is his vp that he will have a vince foster type suicide.

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