Man Kills at Least Seven in Stabbing Rampage at Popular Tokyo Shopping District

[SteveBailey]

Steve, you live in Arizona - the most dangerous and violent state in the entire US -

Wrong.... again.

Arizona isn't even in the top 10.  Debating with you is easy, you are always uninformed and wrong.

[Rolex]

Arizona has never been out of the top 5 most dangerous states.

[mensa180]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/22/real_estate/dangerous_states/index.htm


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20469


http://money.aol.com/mortgage/most-dangerous-states   Look at number 5 on this one.  Actually have to do some clicking.


Looks like Arizona is pretty up there to me Steve.

[NOT]

sorry Steve, looks like rolex is correct.....
http://money.cnn.com/2007/03/22/real_estate/dangerous_states/index.htm

dang it, mensa beat me to it. lol



NOT

[SteveBailey]

Sorry fellas, youare way off. Look more closely at your links.  AZ ranks #2 in auto theft which is not a violent crime and does not equate to dangerous.  Auto theft is a property crime and has nothing to do with ciolent crime.   Here's the facts on VIOLENT crime:  with the link at the bottom

#1   District of Columbia: 1.379 per 100 people  
#2   South Carolina: 0.774 per 100 people  
#3   Florida: 0.696 per 100 people  
#4   Maryland: 0.695 per 100 people  
#5   Tennessee: 0.688 per 100 people  
#6   New Mexico: 0.678 per 100 people  
#7   Louisiana: 0.638 per 100 people  
#8   Alaska: 0.627 per 100 people  
#9   Nevada: 0.595 per 100 people  
#10   Delaware: 0.56 per 100 people  
#11   California: 0.548 per 100 people  
#12   Illinois: 0.541 per 100 people  
#13   Texas: 0.532 per 100 people  
#14   Oklahoma: 0.497 per 100 people  
#15   Arkansas: 0.494 per 100 people  
#16   Michigan: 0.49 per 100 people  
#17   Missouri: 0.487 per 100 people  
#18   Arizona: 0.487 per 100 people

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_vio_cri_percap-crime-violent-per-capita  

That's per capita.  If you went by actual numbers of violent crime, per the FBI, AZ ranks around 16. Unless of course you guys want to consider things like car theft and shoplifting as violnet crimes.... no-one else does.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_05.html

Edit:  Before you try the "carjacking is part of auto theft and therefore it can be a violent crime" tack... no... that's robbery.

[NOT]

I will admit i was surprised at Arizona being high on the one list. Not a state I associate with crime. So i guess it depends on which site is more reputable, as to which too believe. Ga. is 9 on 1 list but 20th on another, so who really knows.




NOT

[straffo]

Sorry fellas, youare way off. Look more closely at your links.  AZ ranks #2 in auto theft which is not a violent crime and does not equate to dangerous.  Auto theft is a property crime and has nothing to do with ciolent crime.   Here's the facts on VIOLENT crime:  with the link at the bottom
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Car-jacker are polite in Arizona 

[SteveBailey]

I will admit i was surprised at Arizona being high on the one list. Not a state I associate with crime. So i guess it depends on which site is more reputable, as to which too believe. Ga. is 9 on 1 list but 20th on another, so who really knows.




NOT

Our proximity to the border makes us very susceptible to vehicle theft so both sites are probably accurate but Rolex claimed  

Steve, you live in Arizona - the most dangerous and violent state in the entire US

So we are talking about danger and violence.  The sites you guys linked lists overall crime which, while the numbers are probably accurate, does not reflect violent crime but overall crime.

Auto theft pushes AZ way up the list for overall crime rate but has it has nothing to do with violent crime.  It is a property crime.

[SteveBailey]

Car-jacker are polite in Arizona 

No, car jacking is considered robbery, not auto theft. Only the obtuse would not understand this.

[Holden McGroin]

Arizona has never been out of the top 5 most dangerous states.

With the Grand Canyon being there, there are more cliffs per capita than any other state.



It's tough to fall off of Kansas.

[straffo]

No, car jacking is considered robbery, not auto theft. Only the obtuse would not understand this.

I know I'm dense , I feel like I'm  from arizona.


Btw discarding the whole stats using a subset of the stats is incoherent.

[-tronski-]

World war II was largely a result of gun control

...and Korea was a result of a bad chicken curry right?

 Tronsky

[majic]

I know I'm dense , I feel like I'm  from arizona.


Btw discarding the whole stats using a subset of the stats is incoherent.

Seems awfully coherent to me.  The discussion centered on violence so he discarded the non-violent crimes.

A regular auto theft is not counted.  A car jacking is considered a robbery, so it is counted.

[straffo]

It's perhaps because I'm speaking a latin based language but I don't understand the difference between crime and violent crime.


I've read the associated wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent_crime and I understand why we cannot agree

[lazs2]

seems that for murder..  arizona is 7th....http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169

It used to be like 20th in the last few years tho illegal immigration has shot the crime up.   

As for the stabbing problem in japan.. I see it as a real danger... they have a culture of suicide there.  Now that one has gotten his 15 minutes of fame with a "dark avenger" kind of suicide.....  it will become more common

I do not feel that arming them would be a good idea.. for pretty much the same reason that they shouldn't have drivers licenses.... If I had to be there I would want a gun tho.

rolex is right.. it is a matter of culture more than anything..  I fear that the culture of suicide (highest rate in the world) and the whole "dark avenger culture" is gonna become a nasty mix for our little yellow friends.

Another interesting fact is that.. on the whole.. getting shot with a handgun and getting stabbed have the same 80% survival rate.   fear guns... fear knives..   fear weapons.... same same.

lazs