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Offline Yeager

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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2008, 11:24:06 PM »
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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2008, 04:41:04 AM »
what's up with all the hysteria.... so a few muslim lawyers from toronto are abusing the system... from the banter on the local tv and radio shows it seems the spectacle is an embarrassment to the average muslim caller.

but then again the recent antics of the chrt have brought a criminal complaint against it... now it's under investigation from the rcmp for abuse of power... i guess those are the checks and balances of a democracy for you.

i don't think any hrt will be a fun place to work at in the next few years... but i didn't see an outrage when they did the same to a holocaust denier.

that said... steyn is your typical zionist neocon shill and a pro empire cheerleader... he wants to be found guilty and have the case taken to a real court of law... his book has been a number #1 seller because of it all... so it's free publicity and cash in his pocket while he cries victim.

crack me up tho... i mean you go on about the whole free speech thingy... yet the your mass media easily duped you into an foolish imperial war which lead to the death of thousands of innocent iraqi civilians... all so you could impose an imperial tea tax on them.

not to mention big brother can whisk you away to a club med torture chamber with out due process.

if you wanna talk bizzaro... maybe start there... i know ron paul did.

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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2008, 08:06:20 AM »

i don't think any hrt will be a fun place to work at in the next few years... but i didn't see an outrage when they did the same to a holocaust denier.

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« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2008, 08:17:36 AM »
It's not hysteria, it's the disgust that arises when one realizes that this creeping tide of PC bullshirt will arrive on our doorstep sooner rather than later.

Further, it's a rigged game:

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Not that these tribunals are likely to rule against claimants. In the three decades of federal human rights commission cases, not one defendant in a Section XIII complaint that went beyond the discovery phase has been acquitted. Defendants in provincial cases do not fare much better. As Gwen Landolt, national vice-president of REAL Women, has said, “If a complaint is laid against you, you’re automatically found guilty.” Yet, not once has an individual punished by these tribunals been found guilty in a court of law of an actual hate crime.

In part, this is because it is virtually impossible to defend against a human rights complaint. Normal rules of evidence do not apply: hearsay evidence is permitted, hearings can be held in secret, the accused usually do not face their accusers, and, most important, the presumption of innocence so vital in our common law tradition is suspended as the accused must prove their innocence. If a complainant claims to be offended, it is virtually impossible to prove that he or she has not been offended.



Holocaust deniers? White supremacists?

We allow both down here. We let the Neo-Nazis have their marches. As pointed out before, there's a huge difference in the understanding of free speech and the rest of the world. Canada's version tends strongly towards the governmental thought police approach.





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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2008, 08:24:07 AM »
geeze torque..  ever the total liberal eh?   Is there nothing that will shake your faith in "the end justifies the means" on it's way to a socialist utopia?

Styn is a great guy.. demonize him all you want but he is bright and well spoken.   What is wrong with him pushing it and getting this whole unholy left wing drivel out into the open?

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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2008, 09:16:11 AM »
Sad... is all I can say.  Canadians are being let down by our own government.  Every time you turn around some minority group is whining and complaining.  If you are a minority or an imigrant you have rights........


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« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2008, 10:00:59 AM »
it's rather comical... a jewish guy writes a book basically given islam a back handed comment that it is the superior religion... then a bunch or misguided muslim grad students start to abuse the system to the point the govt calls in the rcmp to investigate the chrt for abuse of power... probably leading to the chrt being neutered in the process.

toad...i don't see any lies or deceit or broken bodies of children to be disgusted over.... i see checks and balances working.

laz... those are steyn own words to describe himself... he is just more honest than you are.

sir lion... i suggest you read up on ron paul speeches... he is one of those real americans not like these empire loyalist here.

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« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2008, 10:12:31 AM »
toad...i don't see any lies or deceit or broken bodies of children to be disgusted over.... i see checks and balances working.

What I see is a 30 year history of denial of a basic human right before the checks and balances even noticed.

It's grand that this is finally getting some attention. I guess it a widely read author to garner the necessary attention. In other words, Canada had to look pretty third-world-dictatorish in the world press before anything started to happen.

Is there a result in the Steyn case yet? Is he going to be the first guy that gets an acquittal?




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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2008, 10:20:04 AM »
Well with Torque posting we can see another reason why no one likes canadians...  :aok

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« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2008, 10:25:46 AM »
Sad... is all I can say.  Canadians are being let down by our own government.  Every time you turn around some minority group is whining and complaining.  If you are a minority or an imigrant you have rights........

I was a civil servant in Ottawa for 8 years before I moved to the USA.  What I remember the most was the smug attitude prevalent in the government - basically, people went around feeling smug and superior - that "They" were the Enlightened Ones, and the place of "Citizens" was to follow their lead like "serfs".

There was also this belief that They were not to be messed with -  I mean someone could be a stock room clerk, and they'd literally think that people in the general population should not "mess" with them - because they were In The Government.   Everyone was on a power trip, and it was all about about controlling people.

Laziness and sloth were ingrained and encouraged - after all - They were the "Anointed Ones" (yes some would actually refer to themselves as "Anointed Ones").  Another popular phrase was "The Little People don't know any better - our role is to Enlighten them".

It was like the entire population was made up idiotic children that needed to be led - not only in action, but in way of thinking.

It was amazing - if any individual questioned anything They did, the "problem" was that the said individual was a deviant self-thinker - not in line with the rest of the Enlightened World.  They truly believed if they did not lead everyone, society would self destruct in a wave of self interest.  They dealt with rabble-rousers by focusing all their might on them and crushing them as an individuals.  They still do it today.

When I worked for Them, I worked on software designed to track the media - it was a database that kept track of media articles about the government - specifically reporters that were negative towards the ruling party (then, the Liberal party of Canada).  When reporters stuck out as troublemakers, they went to work on them - usually by pressuring their Editors to have them toe-the-line or get them fired.  A number of reporters had their careers destroyed during the infamous HRDC scandal in 1998 (where 1 billion dollars went, and still is,  "missing").  I have their careers on my conscience (my software tracked them), and that episode was a major reason why I quit the civil service.  I was a young idealist then, and they used me.

Canada is a seriously MESSED UP country - it's a bizarre mix of old English "class" society, combined with some American influences, but with a very left wing slant to it.

Since immigrating to the USA, I've purposefully stayed away from defining myself as a "Democrat" or "Republican" - I distrust both - but I can tell you that I shudder whenever a high level politician points to Canada as an "ideal society".   Whenever I see a politician dreamily refer to Canada as some kind of Utopia I know exactly what kind of ambition this politician has.

I've learned from experience that the move government you have, the more comfortable, and bold, They get.  It's a surefire recipe for abuses of power.

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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2008, 10:51:48 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2008, 12:32:47 PM »
News today in the Toronto Star...The Ontario Liberal Premier announced today that instead of dropping "The Lords Prayer" said before each morning session in Parliament like he had supported....Now they get a rotating # of prayers as well including Jewish,Muslim,Native and a couple others because various religious "congresses" had complained.

Now if they could just insert an Athiest non prayer day where everyone could just go about their business without delay,we'd be taking a small step towards a more efficient govt.

We need a first ammendment like you yanks have to say the least.
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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2008, 02:55:08 PM »
torque..  besides the fact that honesty has nothing to do with if I have heard him say something or not....

"that said... steyn is your typical zionist neocon shill and a pro empire cheerleader..."  it is you who are being dishonest.. steyn is a commentator and humorist and satirist..  If he did say those things about himself then you certainly know (and are being dishonest about) the fact that he would be doing so as a satire.

He is a great guy and bright.   That is all I said and that is true.  If he said what you said about himself then I would laugh along with him.

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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2008, 04:35:46 PM »
Well no one likes canadians. Now we have a reason. :aok


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Re: Canada, Free Speech and Human Rights Tribunals
« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2008, 04:40:08 PM »

 :furious    Applies more so, to Yanks  !!!!   never point finger to anyone, for three R pointing at U  !

It's ok, I know its hard to be a cunukian....

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