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Offline Selino631

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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2008, 03:58:57 PM »
hmmm like more american planes you mean? like the last TWO planes that were added? in the past almost 2 years i've played this game . I've only ever seen US planes added or updated (with the exeption of the La's ) last year it was the F4 series. this year we had the B25 and P39 added. The Mossie and hurricaine models need updating , along with the lancaster and boston . Historicly important planes such as the Bomber Mossie are ignored . They were important ; pathfinder role was very imortant to RAF bomber command.
Big heavies such as the halifax and sterlin are also missing from the plane set. these were all planes that could carry twice  the ords of the US army airforce  flew more missions maned by men that NEVER went home after a tour. NEVER had a break for more that 5 days. flew a mission almost every day for 6 years.
you forgot that they updated the TA-152. and also Italian planes should be added before anything else, they only have the C.202 and C.205 in the game. also those two planes need to be updated, the Macchi C.205 did/could carry small bombs and a drop tank. I suggest the G.55, C.200, P.108, Cant Z.1007, Br.20, Sm.79
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2008, 06:55:28 PM »
  I suggest the G.55, C.200, P.108, Cant Z.1007, Br.20, Sm.79

No offense Selino, but who has ever heard of those planes?

They most likely played an insignificant role in the war and you're just throwing these planes down arbitrarily just so that there are alternatives to the Meteor.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2008, 07:32:38 PM »
No offense Selino, but who has ever heard of those planes?
No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.
They most likely played an insignificant role in the war and you're just throwing these planes down arbitrarily just so that there are alternatives to the Meteor.
Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war. The C.200 was a fighter that seemed to have less success than the popular C.202, the G.55 was a superb aircraft with a license built German DB605A engine, the P.108, Z.1007, and Br.20 IIRC are Italian bombers, and the Sm.79 was a bomber/transport similar to the Ju52/3m. All played a larger role in the war than the Meteor.
I would like to see the CR.42 over all other Italian fighters, which was Italy's main fighter aircraft at the outbreak of the war, and would be cool to have since it was a biplane. It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2008, 06:44:39 AM »
No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war.

I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2008, 09:46:08 AM »
No offense, but I have, perhaps you should learn history.Because, as we all know, the Meteor played a huge role in the war. The C.200 was a fighter that seemed to have less success than the popular C.202, the G.55 was a superb aircraft with a license built German DB605A engine, the P.108, Z.1007, and Br.20 IIRC are Italian bombers, and the Sm.79 was a bomber/transport similar to the Ju52/3m. All played a larger role in the war than the Meteor.
I would like to see the CR.42 over all other Italian fighters, which was Italy's main fighter aircraft at the outbreak of the war, and would be cool to have since it was a biplane. It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2008, 09:50:55 AM »
I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
These aircraft did play a role in the entire war, especially in the Mediterranean theater. Italy is not mentioned alot because of there poor fighting skill due to Benito Mussolini's lack of military knowledge. (Even a Regia Aeuroaunitca unit in Belgium participated in the battle of Britian and also sent Italian fight/bomber elements to the eastern front.) the aircraft i mentioned in the other post were the primary aircraft in the Italian arsenal. they did play a big role in the war.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2008, 10:13:11 AM »
The Meteor was i believe the first allied jet aircraft to see combat and if you think ground attack isnt combat then you should go fly low lever with ack guns trying to fill you full of holes.

Yes there other aitcraft that should be added first especially italian and japanese and russian aircraft.
Be nice If HTC added something that no one was expecting but would be used.

speaking of used i hardly ever see the b25c or p39 now used when i am on line!!!
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2008, 11:14:36 AM »
It was armed with 2-4 .50 caliber SAFAT machine guns.

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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 12:18:07 PM »
WOOT! 2-4 50 cals.  :O

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It has better guns than some of the early war planes we have.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2008, 01:03:32 PM »
I never said the Meteor did play a huge role. My point is that there is a reason history does not portray these other aircraft as popular. If they were used more, why are they not heard of in everyday use when we talk of WWII?
Because Italy;
1) Did not win the war. History is decided by the victors.
2) Italy played a smaller part in the European war than Germany. Their biggest contribution was in the Mediterranean theater, which the United States did not play a large role in- see #1.


As an American, you, at least I am exposed to 8 fighter aircraft by the media (History channel, Discovery Channel, and Military Channel)

1)The P51 Mustang; this was the awesomest aircraft of the war! It was so uber mustang pilots could shoot down German pilots in their sleep! lol! It was critical to winning the air war in Germany, even though the Thunderbolt actually played a larger role in this! (in reality, something like 4000 kills were amassed by mustang pilots in Europe, which is 1/3 of the total kills of Jagdgescwhader 52).
2)The P47 Thunderbolt; this fighter was frikken sweet! It was super fast and indestructible!  It somehow climbed better than the 109 just because of a new propeller even though the 109 was about half the weight with more engine power! It was magic! And, it was the heaviest armed fighter of the war!(?!)
3)The F6F Hellcat; super l33t! It was totally able to out maneuver the Zero despite being twice as heavy!
4)The F4U Corsair; See Hellcat!
5)The Me.109; total suckage. Despite the fact that in reality it's later versions were lighter and faster than the Mustang, the poor skill of the pilots at the end of the war and their inability to push the 109 to it's limits must mean that the aircraft sucks.
6)The Fw.190; better than the 109, but still sucked! Despite having 4 20mm cannons and 2 .50 cals, or sometimes 2 30mm cannons and 2 20mm's, it still had a lighter armament than the Thunderbolt!(!?!?!)
7)The Zero; this aircraft is so rarely referred to by it's military designation (A6M) that we sometimes have people come in saying we don't have it! Not that we should have it anyway, they should have spent the time they spent modeling the Zero modeling more uber leet American planes like the P61 and the B29 and the P80 and the...........! This thing totally sucked! It was super slow (despite being faster than the F4F) and blew up if you sneezed at it!
8)The Me.262; despite being the first operational jet fighter in the world and the only in WWII to see combat against manned enemy combat aircraft in the air, being the fastest and one of the most heavily armed interceptors of the war, it was still less leet than the P51 and the P47's 8 .50 cals were still more powerful than it's 4 30mm autocannons!(!?!) lol!

Don't try to deny it either; this, almost always, is what American history documentaries tell you. Occasionally you'll hear of the the Spitfire, the Hurricane, the P38 and the F4F but far less commonly than these 8 aircraft (coupled with their almost unanimous description as above). It's extremely unrealistic to expect anyone to know of Italian, Russian, French, Romanian, Japanese, and many British aircraft without doing something silly and time consuming like reading a book or even doing light research on the internet.



WOOT! 2-4 50 cals.  :O

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Guess what armament your P38 has once you've expended all the ammunition in the Hispano ;)
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 01:19:48 PM »
Point taken Motherland. I'm not ignorant of WWII planes but I had just never heard of those before and they've never popped up in books I've read or documentaries I've seen.
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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 01:29:12 PM »
Guess what armament your P38 has once you've expended all the ammunition in the Hispano ;)

4x .50's in the hands of a pilot with even "fair" gunnery skills is usually more than enough. Concentrated in the nose like on the P-38 it will cut a wing off about any aircraft like a hot knife through butter and will SHREAD the fuselage of any of the Luftwaffe planes with a min 2 second burst. (Not even to mention what it will do to the lighter Japanese planes) It is superior, IMHO anyway, than the 4x .50's set up on the P-51B & C due to that factor.

The 20mm is just for "emphasis" to get a bandits Attention.   :aok

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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 01:32:38 PM »
The .50 SAFAT is slightly weaker than the M2, however, 2 are mounted in the cowl and 2 in the wing root on the CR.42. Even 2 .50's and .30's are capable of bringing down an aircraft in a fair sized burst, the C.202 has proven this to me many times.

4x .50's in the hands of a pilot with even "fair" gunnery skills is usually more than enough. Concentrated in the nose like on the P-38 it will cut a wing off about any aircraft like a hot knife through butter and will SHREAD the fuselage of any of the Luftwaffe planes with a min 2 second burst. (Not even to mention what it will do to the lighter Japanese planes) It is superior, IMHO anyway, than the 4x .50's set up on the P-51B & C due to that factor.

The 20mm is just for "emphasis" to get a bandits Attention.   :aok

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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 01:41:50 PM »
LOL! Mother, I just realized you are "BUBI" in the game.

Then I guess you know "From Experience" what those 4x .50's on a 38 will do. BEWARE THE FORK-TAILED DEVIL!   :devil

Good flying againast you guys the other night.    :aok

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Re: British Gloster Meteor or the german buzz bomb
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 01:47:41 PM »
And I think I demonstrated last night what a 20mm auto cannon combined with 2 7.9mm machine guns can do to the 'Fork-Tailed Devil' :D

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