Cedar Rapids Flooding

[Toad]

When can I expect to see Jesse and Al in Cedar Rapids blaming Boosh for failing levees?

Those two are a little slow mobilizing for this disaster.

[Charon]

When can I expect to see Jesse and Al in Cedar Rapids blaming Boosh for failing levees?

I don't know about Al, but Jesse is up here in Chicago right now pushing for more gun control while trying to shake down DSA Arms in Barrington for some PUSH funding. Still, just a hop, skip and a jump to Iowa.

Charon

[angelsandair]

5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.

Who the heck is MP3?

[BaldEagl]

There, you said it yourself, you have tornados.  I sure hope if one flattens your house, you don't expect anyone but yourself to pay for it.  No insurance, no government declaration of a "disaster area" allowing you to get low-interest loans, NOTHING.  You should have to pay for it yourself.

Obviously you do not have any understanding or appreciation for why towns or citys sprang up where they did or why they remain where they are. 

You also obviously do not believe that systems such as levys or quake-proofing buildings are sufficient to offer a reasonable expectation of safety from all but the worst disasters.  Never mind that the current flooding is above even the 1993 levels, which was a level of flooding the experts expected to see only once every 500 years.  All those "idiots" should have just moved anyway, eh? 

By the same token, then, since a tornado, (or major hailstorm, or icestorm, or 15 feet of snow) will surely hit your city in the next 500 years, it is unreasonable for you to remain there, and you need to find somewhere "safe" to live.  If you do not move now, then you, sir, are also an idiot, and worthy only of "gene pool clensing."

Oh my.  Touched a nerve did I?

C'mon, you know you're taking this to it's furthest extreem to try to make your point.

Do you truely believe the people who's houses get washed away in a California mudslide, then re-build in the same place only to have it go up in flames the next year are doing any of us any good?  Who's paying for that?  That's right.  I am and so are you.

How many times does someone need to be flooded out before they decide it's not a good idea to build in a flood zone?  Once, twice, three times, more?  How many times are you willing to go help them out with time or money?

I can understand helping with rare natural disaters; those that will likely never repeat.  But those that do, over and over like clockwork I'm not as pleasant about.  Stay away.

I've lived in MN all but 4 years of my life.  I've never been personally affected by a tornado although one did come through my neighborhood once and took down trees just across the street and I've watched them live from both my home and from my car.  If a tornado were to hit a home once, it would likely never recur, at least in MN.  That would be like lighning striking twice.

I just think people need to have a little more common sense, and not only in relation to this topic.

[john9001]

you do not build cities on bottom land, you plant crops on bottom land.

here is a tip, if there is a levee between your house and the river,........move.

[wrongwayric]

You know i seem to remember a show on the history channel where in one country they have designed all the houses in the flood plains to float? Anyone remember that?

[E25280]

C'mon, you know you're taking this to it's furthest extreem to try to make your point.

My point is no more extreme than suggesting that there needs to be a little "cleansing of the gene pool" for those who experience a disaster.

Do you truely believe the people who's houses get washed away in a California mudslide, then re-build in the same place only to have it go up in flames the next year are doing any of us any good?  Who's paying for that?  That's right.  I am and so are you.

They are paying for it through sky-high insurance rates and large deductibles.  Oh, wait, that's right.  In the Baldeagl world, there would be no insurance for anyone, they would just have to suck it up.  Ever had your car wrecked?  Bet you had insurance for it.  But, since it is reasonable to assume every person who drives will be in a car wreck at some point in their life (statistically, it is 3 wrecks), I suppose we should apply the Baldeagl standard to cars, too.  No car insurance for anyone.  Experience a loss, and suck it up.

You seem to be under the delusion that those that experience a disaster get off without any hardship.  Quite the opposite.

But I see you have changed to mudslides.  Any particular reason?  Perhaps you finally have realized moving the millions out of "flood zones, on fault lines, in hurricane prone areas" is simply not feasible, and now are trying to make it sound a little more reasonable?  If so, then I hope you also recognize how ignorantly broad your original statement was.

How many times does someone need to be flooded out before they decide it's not a good idea to build in a flood zone?  Once, twice, three times, more?  How many times are you willing to go help them out with time or money?

Since the topic of the thread is "Cedar Rapids Flooding," your point is irrelevant since it has already been established that the floods in question are extraordinary and not at all common.  Many of the people affected have never had such an event before, yet you paint them all with the same broad brush.

And for the record, as far as I am concerned anyone who experiences a loss of their home or business through no fault of their own is worthy of compassion, and certainly doesn't deserve to be blamed for their misfortune -- let alone have someone say they hope they would just die and clean the gene pool.

I can understand helping with rare natural disaters; those that will likely never repeat.  But those that do, over and over like clockwork I'm not as pleasant about.  Stay away.?

Please define for me just how often is too often.  500 years?  100 years?  20 years?  At what point do you say it will never repeat?  There was a glacier covering Minnesota once, and very likely it will happen again sometime in the future.  Can't say it will never again happen, can you?

If the New Madrid fault goes off tomorrow with a 9.0, flattening every dwelling between Memphis and Milwaukee and from Columbus to Kansas City, are you going to say they all should have seen it coming and just moved?  After all, it happend in the 1800s, surely it was forseeable it would happen again, right?  Silly "idiots" should all just move, right?

I just think people need to have a little more common sense, and not only in relation to this topic.

I quite agree, but I also think you were the one showing no common sense with your first post.

[hubsonfire]

You know i seem to remember a show on the history channel where in one country they have designed all the houses in the flood plains to float? Anyone remember that?

Denmark or Holland, I think? Like a bunch of little "river boat" casinos basically- it was very cool.

[wrongwayric]

Yea for some reason Holland was my guess. It's a really good idea IMO and we should change our building codes in these flood plain areas to resemble their style. We have a couple areas here in the town where i live that they can only get federal flood insurance as they seem to get their houses flooded out every 2 to 3 years.

I don't have a problem with people living where they want to live, but i shouldn't have to pay more insurance premiums because they get flooded every year.

I don't put the blame on all these people this is happening to now though as most of these areas have not been flooded in 100 years or more.

[hubsonfire]

Did some googling- Can't get the clip to play, but from what I can see of the building in the frame, it's the same guys from the program I watched- an architectural firm in Holland called Water Studio. They are of a design that wouldn't mesh well with the cookie cutter subdivision designs that are most common around here, but I still like the design.

I like the idea of not letting people put homes where they are likely to be destroyed in a flood in a the first place, but building homes that can tolerate rising water levels, or survive a serious flood seems like the next best concept.

I've been looking at the damage in southern Indiana, and it just boggles the mind. So many homes, cars, businesses.... just awful.

[john9001]

  Ever had your car wrecked?  Bet you had insurance for it.  But, since it is reasonable to assume every person who drives will be in a car wreck at some point in their life (statistically, it is 3 wrecks), 

no wrecks, no insurance until the state made it a crime not to have it, and i had better hurry up for my 3 wrecks, i am running out of time.