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Re: 262s
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2008, 01:57:25 PM »
I always get pilot wounds and I almost always die from them. I never die from pilot wounds in any other aircraft, I just land with varying amounts of parts left on my plane when I come to a complete stop.

Perhaps I just try to fly further in the Schwalbe when I've taken a hit in guts.

I rarely catch fire in the 262. Oil damage all the time (particularly from bloody Lancs) but rarely fire.


Really? Out of 4 years playing I think I've only gotten a pilot wound once, and I made it back. Only gotten an engine oil hit once or twice.
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Re: 262s
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2008, 06:47:16 AM »
I get PWs more often than not when I take hits in a 262. It's mostly from bombers too and at very long ranges it seems.

Not a complaint, when I take hits I deserve them, it's just an observation.


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Re: 262s
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2008, 07:54:47 AM »
it just dosent like you LIVE WITH IT

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Re: 262s
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2008, 08:14:17 AM »
Maybe at the last second, someone sneaked behind u and shot u on fire. But, on IL-2 1946, when i fly the 262 throttling up and down frequently, my engines catch on fire. So it can be that as well. Although ive done it in Aces High and it doesnt catch on fire... so i dont really know on that one.

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2008, 11:50:09 AM »
That is not modelled in Aces High, Shyguy.

The 262's engines were known to misbehave when their throttle was worked too hard but engine management is very rudimentary in AH.

This is the case for all engines, not just the jets.

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Re: 262s
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2008, 07:07:19 PM »
I get PWs more often than not when I take hits in a 262. It's mostly from bombers too and at very long ranges it seems.

Not a complaint, when I take hits I deserve them, it's just an observation.



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Re: 262s
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2008, 10:02:07 PM »
Why do I always catch fire in a 262? Only a select few times have I had damage to my 262 and have it NOT be a fire. Just now...I killed an A6M, and I flew past a sunk CV, I heard 3 or 4 hit sprites, and I look back...BOOM...on fire. No other damage whatsoever.

Out of curiosity, is it a fuel fire or an engine fire?

The 262 engines were prone to self-destruction and relatively sensative to damage.
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Re: 262s
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2008, 10:15:29 PM »
We don't have engine fires in AH, only fuel ones.
If the engine get's banged up, it either quits immediately or you have an oil leak. And yes, our 262's engines are very easy to damage.

More often than not I return to base with (at least) one engine out. And I certainly do have my share of PW's in 262's ;)
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Re: 262s
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2008, 11:25:05 PM »
Well there you go. I always aim for the engines on B24s because they light up nicely. Though the fire is rooted in the engine it's just a fuel fire? I never knew that. I guess you learn something every day.  :aok
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Re: 262s
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2008, 11:28:38 PM »
Well there you go. I always aim for the engines on B24s because they light up nicely. Though the fire is rooted in the engine it's just a fuel fire? I never knew that. I guess you learn something every day.  :aok
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Re: 262s
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2008, 02:46:21 AM »
the 262 is a fragile aircraft. i killed a b17 10k over a cv took a hit and started losing fuel. i dove away to escape.

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Re: 262s
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2008, 09:15:29 AM »
But, on IL-2 1946, when i fly the 262 throttling up and down frequently, my engines catch on fire. So it can be that as well.

That is not modelled in Aces High, Shyguy.

The 262's engines were known to misbehave when their throttle was worked too hard but engine management is very rudimentary in AH.

Actually, Pilots were limited in how fast they could throttle up between certain RPMs in real life, otherwise they would damage the engine. That is to say, very slow below (I don't remember, but let's say) 7400rpm, but above that you can do it as fast as you want.

AH is actually quite clever. Jam the throttle full if you like, but watch the RPM dials. They move very slowly, because they are modeled to the limits that pilots had to obey in WW2. Then above whatever the cutoff point is (7400 rpm??) they start reacting almost instantly.

Basically AH models this limitation into the game.

IL2 must not, which is stupid, really. Basically lets you do something you shouldn't be able to do, and will result in engine failure very often based on historical reports.

You couldn't fly a P-51 at 200" boost, could you? Does IL2 let you do THAT too? So why should it let you rev the RPMs too fast with the same result (engine failure)?

Never mind, don't answer that. I don't care. I stopped flying IL2 a long long time ago.

Let me just say: AH has that accounted for. You won't get engine fires from throttling the engines because the position of your throttle and the position of the RPM needle are not instantly linked. It's like flaps. No matter how fast you hit the key, they still deploy at their set speed.

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Re: 262s
« Reply #27 on: June 18, 2008, 09:24:21 AM »
Above 6000rpm Krusty.

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Re: 262s
« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2008, 09:56:46 AM »
I thought it was much higher than that? Oh well, still, very slow throttle-up.

That's why I often hit the brakes until it's up to RPM then roll.

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Re: 262s
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 04:07:11 PM »
IL2 must not, which is stupid, really. Basically lets you do something you shouldn't be able to do, and will result in engine failure very often based on historical reports.

You couldn't fly a P-51 at 200" boost, could you? Does IL2 let you do THAT too? So why should it let you rev the RPMs too fast with the same result (engine failure)?

Never mind, don't answer that. I don't care. I stopped flying IL2 a long long time ago.

Why do that? Its like virtual birth control. In fact, I wish we had that here. This way when kids try to fly their ub3r planes, at full throttle the whole way, messing around thinking this is like call of duty and you can jump forever, they suffer for it. Its just like your complaint about bombers always being at full throttle. This way, instead of restricting you, it just makes you suffer the consequences. I like that way better.  :D