262s

[Krusty]

There's a difference.

Pilots in WW2 were trained not to do these things. They had a lot of pre-flight ground training. They had to memorize a lot of different speeds at which different things could be done.

In a game if you do this kind of limitation without the mandatory education, you get games like TargetWare, where the folks actually MODELING the damn engines can't even tell you what the max settings are for takeoff, cruise, etc.

After a certain point it's not fun.

AH has the right idea of automatically limiting it to what was allowed (same for flaps, gear, etc...) but they don't go far enough in some areas.

[Serenity]

Well, I disagree, but thats just me. I prefer the "Take the time to learn or suffer the consequences". I mean, even something as simple as modeling engine overheats. You have a guage to warn you if it's getting too hot. And they could add things like the max engine settings and such on the planes/vehicles stats page on the homepage. I know it would never happen, it would just be nice.

[DPQ5]

I always seem to make it home in a 262 on just a thread except when im too scared to even roll down the runway

[Serenity]

When I fly a 262, about 5-10 min or less into a fight, I feel like I should leave because something bad is about to happen. I never do. It always does. Or my favorite, I was doing a 262 sweep with 71 RAF, and there were 5 of us on the runway waiting for the last guy so we could go. I wasnt moving, I was on concrete, and my engines were off. I sat there looking at all the other guys, and this is what happened:

I said on VOX: Wow, I really hope I dont disco...
Someone else: Yeah that would su...
*HOST CONECTION LOST*

150 points gone

[Yarbles]

I got 3 punctures in my bicycle tyre in one week and none for over 2 years. The 3 were all diffferent and not cos I left the same piece of glass in each time. Randomness can look causal when it doesnt look random. But occasionaly it happens like that and its random.

So I am sure someone could put that better and I am guessing you dont fly a huge sample of 262 missions if you keep catching fire.

BTW I live in a city and have a car a motorbike and a travel pass but I cycle to work cos its quicker. The most ecologically sound place for humans to live is in cities like the British do. I can take this smug overbearing attitiude because I cycle to work and therefore have the right (get out of that).    

[Krusty]

I'm more likely to run out of gas and/or ammo in a 262 than to lose it, unless I get some first-ping BS disabling shot from a bomber's guns. Most times I run out of ammo because the guns totally suck.

I can fly 109s, 152s, 190a8s, all with 30mm Mk108s and not have a FRACTION of the problems I have in the 262 landing shots. There's just something funked out about the guns on the 262. With over 5x the ammo and 4x the guns I can get 1/8th the kills as I can in a 109. Usually I have the perfect, sweetest shots you can imagine when I fly a 262. I et that perfect gunsight image where the con just sits in your gunsight, and when I fire, I find myself 200 rounds lighter and the target is still there.

It's not right.

[Lusche]

I'm more likely to run out of gas and/or ammo in a 262 than to lose it, unless I get some first-ping BS disabling shot from a bomber's guns. Most times I run out of ammo because the guns totally suck.

I can fly 109s, 152s, 190a8s, all with 30mm Mk108s and not have a FRACTION of the problems I have in the 262 landing shots. There's just something funked out about the guns on the 262. With over 5x the ammo and 4x the guns I can get 1/8th the kills as I can in a 109. Usually I have the perfect, sweetest shots you can imagine when I fly a 262. I et that perfect gunsight image where the con just sits in your gunsight, and when I fire, I find myself 200 rounds lighter and the target is still there.

I have no such problems.

Yes, the number of rounds used per kill is much higher when flying a 262 compared to a 109, but that's mostly because of firing more cannons at once (wasting ammo) and, most important, much higher closure speeds, worse angles and sometimes longer distance.

But I definitely do not get less kills out of a 262's ammo load than out of a 109's. And the measured ballistic drop ( .target command) is just the same in both planes.

[Noir]

Yes, the number of rounds used per kill is much higher when flying a 262 compared to a 109, but that's mostly because of firing more cannons at once (wasting ammo) and, most important, much higher closure speeds, worse angles and sometimes longer distance.

I use only a pair of 30mms at the same time against fighters most of the time. Lower chance to hit but way longer firing time.

[Lusche]

I use only a pair of 30mms at the same time against fighters most of the time. Lower chance to hit but way longer firing time.

I don't feel my gunnery is good enough for that

Especially vs fighters, where I use to take a lot low-probability off-angle shots at long range, Im utilizing the "shotgun" pattern convergence: One pair set to 600, the other to 300 and fire them all together.

[Serenity]

I don't feel my gunnery is good enough for that

Especially vs fighters, where I use to take a lot low-probability off-angle shots at long range, Im utilizing the "shotgun" pattern convergence: One pair set to 600, the other to 300 and fire them all together.

Aren't mk 108's trajectories random enough to qualify as a shotgun? I use the .target command, line up right on the center, at convergence range, hit autopilot so I dont slip off target and empty all of my ammo (In a 109). No 2 shots ever come close to hitting the same place.

[Lusche]

Aren't mk 108's trajectories random enough to qualify as a shotgun?

Yes, but setting two different convergences amplifies that effect:



It is in some respect a waste of ammo, but I have found the incraesed success is being  worth it. But I'm not generally recommending that setting either.

[Spikes]

I treat my 262's guns like I'm flying a K4 or G14 with the tater.
I fire in very short, short bursts, usually a tap or 2, and wait till I'm 400 out. If I miss and they dive down, good for them, but I know I only wasted 10 rounds on them at most, so I still have 300 or so left. At least I didn't dump my whole ammo load and still miss.

[NEARY]

i was gunning for a b-24 and we got attacked by a 262 i just got one bullet into a 262 and it started smokin, then one bullet later
BOOOOOOMM it was on fire going into a death spin.

[Sincraft]

Did you happen to get any film of this?

Sorry but when I saw this I had to say something.

Sir - you have cement in your head.  Hijacking threads is not my norm but when I see people with these Obama 08 logo's in their sigs, I can't imagine what world they live in that is so devoid of reality to put something like that under their sig.  It truly scares me how absolutely misinformed people can allows themselves to become.

[evenhaim]

I fire 2 guns at a time just to save ammo, this way i can avarage 9-14 kills on a good run. But I totally agree on the pws in 262s they seem way more frequent and way more prevelant. And always from a bombers guns, even when the angle is rediculous