Hawg - One- Charlie

[Sky Viper]

In Deja's thread reporting kill stats fighter vs. fighter, there was a question as to why so many still fly the F4U-1C.

Here is my POV:

I fly several different planes. Mostly because I like planes period, but generaly I find myself making the choice based on what Mission Role I wish to fly.

Generaly speaking in Tour 11 or so the CHog was my weapon of choice for A2A or A2G period.  Reason: Cannons, engine power, and ord. I can wax an entire V field and a good majority of a small "A" field.
Uber?  I don't think so...it has its obvious flaws.
As was pointed out, it's an easy kill in a close quarters fight.

So, if it is such an easy kill, then why are the K/D so high? Vulches, uber guns...maybe.
But, I gotta tell yas...I don't think I'm such a great pilot and yet my survival ability in the Hawg is rather high.
Last night for instance, I made an attack run on V46.  This was interrupted by 2 La7s, 2 Spit V's and a P51.  I was aided by 2 other pilots (La7 and P51 I believe) and together we eliminated the threat.
I was 300ft from the CV when my new PC locked up (ugh) and prevented me from landing 3 A2A kills 2 GV kills, 1 VH destruction, and 2 acks.

OK Vipe, your point?
A2A survival is, IMHO, mainly dependant on pilot decision.
In any fighter, the decision to extend and maintain Energy is the choice of life.  Using this understanding and knowing your opponent's Aircraft are THE KEY's to making ANY Plane survive.

I have greatly increased my ability to survive using this thinking.  My choice to stay in alone in a fight against 2+ opponents when I can extend is usually where I lose (and that goes for any plane).  

Get to know your plane, get to know the other planes...fly them all.  Each of us a plane in which we excell. That does not make it Uber and should not discourage you from flying it.  

Not to mention...Blue is my favorite color.  

Viper

 

[Tac]

That and the fact that in a CHOG you can very much have the luxury of forgeting ACM to get a snapshot.In a DHOG that would be your doom.

Das 1 Ping wonder with unbelievable turn rate and rudder turn and a boatload of ammo. It is THE snapshot plane of choice.

The Chog is not easy to kill, its the pilot in it that is. Try shooting Torque or Kbman in their chogs. You'll get your bellybutton handed to you.

[Ripsnort]

Actually, I prefer the N1K for the snap shot, and if I blow it, the N1K has the ability to come around for another, ..-1C does not, unless in a very competent pilots hands, like Torque or KBman...

THat being said, haven't we hashed this Chog thing to its limit?

[MANDOBLE]

 

Originally posted by Sky Viper:
As was pointed out, it's an easy kill in a close quarters fight.

Sorry mate, but disagree completely. HogC is a monster in close quarters, very good turner, impresive roller, great zoom-climber, one of the best divers and the best shapshooter. Uh! and keeps energy like a devil.

It is a plane full of advantages over any other, but its main problem is just his guns. With those four hispanos, most of the pilots dont work their victories at all, and once they decide to use the D model, their ACM capabilities are so degraded that the D seems (seing scores) to be a bad plane (and isn't).

[Ripsnort]

Data talks, roadkill walks.

[ra]

The Dhog is a good plane, the Chog is a good plane with 3 times the firepower.

ra

[StSanta]

I've taken Sky Viper's messa geand run it throught Der De-Bullsh|tter. Here's the result:

"d00d; I sn|p3 y00 w. l@$3r$!" aka "dude, i snipe you with lasers" a reference to the hispa...err urr, never mind

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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
- D. Hrabak, JG 54 "Grünherz"

[AKDejaVu]

I like the 6 .50s in the DHog better than the 4 20mms in the CHog.  I don't think that either plane is particularly stellar in close quarters battle.  The CHog simply has the ability to fly through a fight taking snapshots.

The main myth behind the CHog's e-retention is due to the fact that they seldomely have to really engage anything.  Once it gets turning and trying to hang with another hard-turning plane, its simply middle of the road.

It seems the Chog is more of a threat at 700 yards than it is at 200.  The Yak is much better close quarters... but it needs to be 400 yards or less to get a kill.  Its just that getting within 400 yards in a Yak isn't as much of a problem.

AKDejaVu

[Yeager]

The ONLY reason I ever flew the Chog is because, for whatever reason at that time, I felt like being totally rediculous, like a class clown.

I love the Corsair, always have, but those guns were so rediculously powerful that it was like having a sawed-off fully automatic unlimited (nearly) ammo supply -12 gauge shotgun in a battle where everyone else had rubber bands.....mostly  

I never have given any of the Chog pros any undying respect.  Its just too easy to rack up hundreds of kills a tour just by *being there*

Still, my overall view has been that Pyro put them in the (unperked, no value) lineup so have at it.

Y

[Sky Viper]

<sigh>

De-Bullsh|ter, can't snapshot, class clown...

Doh! I hoped some fun Aircraft talk would be available. I guess this Bar is full of nasty Old Farts with squeaky wrinkled wives waiting for them at home?  <ducks>  

<Walks to Juke Box and looks for happy songs>
Barkeep...A round for my friends please!
   

Viper

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[GRUNHERZ]

The chog is so good because of its cannos and because of its missing 600lbs of weight.

BTW Deja I apologize for this but you are either a fool or a lier when you say that 6 50cals are better than the 4 Hispanos on chog. I honestly dont mean that as a personal attack on you, but I simply dont understand how you could form such an opinion.

[AKDejaVu]

 

BTW Deja I apologize for this but you are either a fool or a lier when you say that 6 50cals are better than the 4 Hispanos on chog.

I am neither.  I didn't say the 6 50s were better than 4 hispanos.  I said I LIKED the 6 .50s over the 4 hispanos.  I feel this way because I like .50s ROF over the hitting power of the 20mm.  I find it is more effective for taking out ack at airfields and I have better accuracy vs aircraft.  The only time I really miss the hispanos is when I'm hitting a buff or have no rockets left against ground vehicles.

AKDejaVu

[lazs]

grun... I believe that documents by F4UDoa and others have indicated that our hog climbs and turns a little too poorly.   As if it weighed too much not, too little.
lazs

[GRUNHERZ]

cc Deja thx for your reasoning.

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
The chog is so good because of its cannos and because of its missing 600lbs of weight.

(Sigh) haven't we had this discussion somewhere before?  Its also missing its true climb rate, it does NOT perform nearly as well as the data supplied by F4UDOA.
(Shrugs, tells Grun to be careful what he wishes for, and of course, Grun has NO DATA to table, thus, just *his* feeling)



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