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Offline F4UDOA

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2001, 03:20:00 PM »
Hehe,

Rip your so right it's funny.

Yes the D-hog should peform better than the C-hog. However they are both undermodeled by real world stats, ie. stall speed with flaps and climb rate.

BTW, right now the F4U-1D has the same eny value as the D9 and La-7. Explain that as well as the F6F having an eny of 17. WTF!!

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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2001, 09:21:00 PM »
I'm not very good at Aces High.  I usually have to work pretty darn hard to get a kill, but the harder I work, the more satisfaction I get and the more fun I have.  I find it rediculously easy to get 3-4 kills a flight in a C hog and since it's so easy and unchallenging I don't find it to be very fun.  Also since I know it's so easy to get kills in a C hog, I tend to regard those who fly it as the type of people who don't challenge themselves and so I don't have much respect for them in general as players.  To each his own by all means, but the only Hog you'll see me in has a big yellow nose.


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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2001, 01:37:00 AM »
i'm with Deja here .. nothing beats cal 50s ESPECIALLY in close quarter snapshots, the high ROF just makes the probability of a hit so much higher ...
If you want to kill fast with cal.50 get close in .. and there the instantaneous turn rate (not sustained) will be handy to get the shot you need.

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Btw any plane bearing straight at you for THE ONE shot is Hog-fodder  

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2001, 02:13:00 AM »
I only fly it when I've been vulched or maimed and I am pi**ed off BAD  

I don't have as much fun flying it than a Jug or a 190A8 though...

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2001, 02:16:00 AM »
Ok, I've debated whether to post here or not.  After my little infamous N1k film episode; I've steered clear of these types of theads.  I've decided to make a couple points though:

I fly the D hog quite a bit.  It's not a bad plane, but unfortunately it's not as competitive as it was last version.  Many planes can out: roll, turn, run, accelerate, climb, gun you.  (La7, 190d9 (not turn), n1k (barely slower).  

Just for fun, since I haven't flown a c hog in 13 tours, I took one up offline.  Here's what I noticed:  (No flames please, just a civilized discussion.   )  I personally don't have much trouble with c hogs vs other planes like n1ks.  I was only trying to do a fair comparison.

1.  Almost no torque in zoom climbs.  I was able to film myself hanging on the prop, then hammerheading in about 2.5 seconds.  When I've tried this in the d-hog it will go into a very hard to recover flat spin.

2. D-hog DOES roll faster, and *may* accel slightly faster.  Climb rates nearly equal.  Overall c-hog is less likely to stall on you in rudder manuvers vs d hog IMO.  You can decel to about 250 mph, hard right roll, hard left rudder, pull back on stick, and the plane will almost instantly roll over and dive away about 45 degrees from original flight path.  There is virtually no loss in speed.  D hog can't do this without spinning if roll is used.

3.  The guns.  Very powerful, compared to typhie even.  Here's what I noticed that made them that way:  It seems that your fire is in 2 "pairs".  It's kinda hard to explain, but basically you hit with 2 cannon rounds on the exact same spot for every hit sprite you see.  (Try it offline in the dirt, then compare to tiffie.  You will see that 2 rounds hit at a time.)  This is what gives it the "one ping of death" IMO.  The typhoons firing pattern is much more spread out, and 1 round at a time impacts the target.  Like the d-hog the gunsight is about the best in the game IMO.  It's very easy to lead moving targets.  HS cannons also don't drop as much as other cannons, making them ideally suited for snapshots.

Overall now I'd say there are better fighters, but nothing can match those guns and ammo capacity.  This makes the plane easily the #1 choice for attack missions.  In addition it is best for carrier duty.

My impression is that if a d hog and c hog met co-e and with pilots of equal skill (and ho snapshots were not allowed), that the d hog is a slightly better fighter.  (That may just be because I'm more used to it.   )  If the pilot of the d-hog can keep from spinning, he should win.

It's definately an interesting plane as an A2A platform.  It is generally outperformed by many planes in the set now, but none have the ability to end the fight with quick snapshots at 700.  I found the guns VERY easy to hit with at around this range.  Like 50 cals, but the HS actually do real damage at that range with the 5 to 6 hits you get in a snapshot.  Firing on the drones I found 2 hits would take the rudder off nearly everytime.  3 to 5 hits would take off a whole wing and set the plane on fire.  1 or 2 pings to the engine area always resulted in a dead radiator or engine, and often pilot kill.

Those are my opinions after an hour or so of testing offline.  What do the rest of you think?



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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2001, 04:06:00 AM »
I seldomly used Quakebirds for ground attack. Now I am more comfortable with Corsair D. You have equal bombload, 2 rockets more, and .50's are better for deacking purposes.

I concur with DjV. .50's are easier to aim and pack quite a punch when fired under 250 yds. range.

And in D-Hog, Tutu's are not mandatory, not even optional!

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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2001, 06:03:00 AM »
Kbman... what say you and I go toe to toe with... I dunno... Tac.. and Zoso.

Them in these so called miracle machines and us in, who cares, La5s? 109s? Yaks?

Doubt it matters... We'll be dead meat appearantly... as they'll have the luxury of being able to forget ACM.

I'm not sure who actually would be stupid enough to enter a 2v2 flying a hog. 4v4... doesn't matter...

But if yer game... and you think it's really that uber... I'll be more than happy to set up something for us all to really find out.

Let me know.

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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2001, 07:54:00 AM »
Nash I've died to your Guns often enough, both in the C-hawg & in other planes.  

95% of the time I think the whole C-hawg arguement is so much hot air.

Then one pulls some seemingly impossible combination of ACM & spray & pray and my opinion gets revised for a bit.

I know from checking my own stats that I die most often to

A P51-D  
B F4u-1c

I can understand the P51, ussually there are 3 or 4 of them & they are high. A lone fighter is easy meat.

The F4u-1c, well that one is easy, if you get in front of it's guns your dead.

Doesn't mean they arn't beatable, they are.
They are however my primary target all other factors being equal. They simply are more dangerous. You can't ever let one into a position where it can reverse on you & live.

You can't run away from one unless you have a VERY substantial lead even in a La7. They'll close the range enough to get hits.

Should the C-hawg be perked, nope.
It should however in my opinion be confined to Carrier opperations only.

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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2001, 08:23:00 AM »
From a newbie perspective...

Ive never got this argument, in my current short stint here i think i flew it maybe 2 times online then read all the fuss over it and changed to the D version - Indian helped in his page on flying the Corsair in WB, which was cool Thnx Indian.

Seems you are just moaning because of its guns... but surely it has the guns it had... which doesnt make sense because now this means all you Uber Sim Heads that take every oppotunity to cry 'QUAKERS..' are asking for an unrealistic sim.... ?

All i noticed... because im not very good... is that it takes ONE HELL OF A KICKING before it goes down.  One likely source of popularity then    Next up its guns were pooh for anything more than raking flak and ammo dumps, trucks etc... Im with DeJA, the D version is way better - i dont know why, guess its that ROF thing i just know it was better to get me actual kills if something accidently overshot me...  

Landings ... well ive never landed one yet properly, thanks to AKCurly though and DeJa in his taking30 movie for the walkthroughs on how its meant to be done.

I never even saw that many coming to think of it... Spit/109/P51/N1k and now the LA7 were far more popular planes i saw.

Its also got one HELL of a stall/spin characteristic... that one is crazy, worst one of the whole planeset i think.

*shrug*

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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2001, 10:07:00 AM »
Nash,

If you want to shoot me down that's fine, I'm game, but like I said, I suck, so that won't prove much other than "it's the man not the machine" which I think was what you're tring to say.  No argument there.

A better test would be to wing with kb against two players whom you consider to be of equal skill to yourself and then see what happens.  A duel is not even close to how things happen in the MA, but my money will still be on the C hoggers.  Prove me wrong.