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Offline Fruda

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2008, 04:19:12 PM »
the niki is ok gun wise but sucks turning.

Are you on crack? The guns on the N1K-2 are outstanding, and its turn rate is fantastic. The only things really bad about it are speed and climb rate.

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2008, 04:36:32 PM »
Are you on crack? The guns on the N1K-2 are outstanding, and its turn rate is fantastic. The only things really bad about it are speed and climb rate.

The N1K-2 has Type 99-2 cannons. Ballistically they are comparable to the German MG151/20, the standard gun on most designs. It fires a slightly heavier round at a bit higher speed. The gun suffers a bit from firing at a very slow ROF of 8 rounds per second, MG 151 has 12 and the Ho-5 (Ki-84 & Ki 61) 14.

But it'S climbrate is far from being bad. Not many planes in Ah2 are capable of achieving a constant climbrate of more than 4000 fpm (sealevel up to 5k) (for comparison: Ki-61 just over 3000 fpm, Spit XVI about 4600 fpm). In a dogfighting situation you may notice N1k's hanging on their props like no one else.

The N1k doesn't climb bad, it rolls badly... that's it's biggest weakness in my opinion.
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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2008, 05:35:14 PM »
In a dogfighting situation you may notice N1k's hanging on their props like no one else.

Except the P-38 which is probably the best vertical fighter in the game with the Ki-84 being a close second.


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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2008, 05:52:32 PM »
Are you on crack? The guns on the N1K-2 are outstanding, and its turn rate is fantastic. The only things really bad about it are speed and climb rate.
Get me in the LWA's 1 on 1 vs a Niki.   8 times out of 10, the Niki is going down. 
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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2008, 05:47:06 AM »
the niki is only used for hoing pilots cause the cant turn with a spit, zero, or hurricane. plus your problem is multiplied if the pilot is skilled. as for the ki61. the location of the guns on this ride helps big time in a head on turn fight. you get your sight on the opponent quicker for the kill.

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2008, 02:10:30 PM »
The niki is a great bird, but in my opinion it is an "easy mode" plane.  Full flaps it will outturn all F4Us and the F6F.  It has amazing cannons and GREAT climb. It also keeps its E very well.

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2008, 03:34:23 PM »
the niki is only used for hoing pilots cause the cant turn with a spit, zero, or hurricane. plus your problem is multiplied if the pilot is skilled. as for the ki61. the location of the guns on this ride helps big time in a head on turn fight. you get your sight on the opponent quicker for the kill.
Not many planes out turn the spit zero and hurricane... the Niki turns pretty good.

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2008, 06:05:09 PM »
The niki is a great bird, but in my opinion it is an "easy mode" plane.  Full flaps it will outturn all F4Us and the F6F.  It has amazing cannons and GREAT climb. It also keeps its E very well.


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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2008, 06:40:48 PM »
the niki is only used for hoing pilots cause the cant turn with a spit, zero, or hurricane. plus your problem is multiplied if the pilot is skilled. as for the ki61. the location of the guns on this ride helps big time in a head on turn fight. you get your sight on the opponent quicker for the kill.

Please stop posting about planes.  You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2008, 07:26:11 PM »
Get me in the LWA's 1 on 1 vs a Niki.   8 times out of 10, the Niki is going down. 
Yeah, but that is due to the pilot, not the plane.   :aok
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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2008, 07:31:14 PM »
Yeah, but that is due to the pilot, not the plane.   :aok

Well hey, all posts point the Tony being "inferior".    :noid 


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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2008, 07:57:10 PM »
Get me in the LWA's 1 on 1 vs a Niki.   8 times out of 10, the Niki is going down. 

It's never been a problem for me, though I'm constantly annoyed at how its guns seem to be able to get easy kills from 800+ out.

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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2008, 10:24:46 PM »
Except the P-38 which is probably the best vertical fighter in the game with the Ki-84 being a close second.


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Best vertical fighter, or best at hanging on it's prop? Stall model is quite something and too easy to take advantage of imho. Add nose hispanos for extra dweebery and yes it's the best at vertical.

Ki-84 is a bit of a monster along with the dweeb16 & dweeb8, luckily like most top tier rides flown with a lack of energy management and ACM relying on engine power and WEP to get them out of trouble.


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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2008, 10:35:29 PM »
C205 has better weaponry, better ammo load, better climb rate, better top speed, better acceleration and raw horsepower, and still turns pretty damn nice.

Even in turn radius, they aren't too far off. The Ki61 turns almost like a hurr/spit, though, so it's not a fair comparison. The C.205 turns as well as most of the planeset (not counting the spits/hurrs/top 1% planes.

The only real weakness, IMO, is the strength of the 20mm guns on the 205, and the much shorter range.

Totally agree, C205 is awesome if you can maintain it's energy at the optimum speed. Seen a couple of dedicated C205 sticks do well in the C205 and it's great to watch.



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Re: Ki-61
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2008, 03:29:28 AM »
Best vertical fighter, or best at hanging on it's prop? Stall model is quite something and too easy to take advantage of imho. Add nose hispanos for extra dweebery and yes it's the best at vertical.




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