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Malik Obama confirms
« on: June 15, 2008, 03:20:49 PM »
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It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2008, 03:24:12 PM »
swiftboating!


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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2008, 03:32:25 PM »
mmmm...dunno if that's quite the same thing.

if it's true, then it's definitely something that i'd want to know about.



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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2008, 03:34:04 PM »
oh look mp3 is back.

wish i would have copied the link folks but alas...

it was a story about obamas brother claiming that he was in fact raised a muslim.

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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2008, 03:34:46 PM »
I bet it's already reported/submitted to "Fight the Smears".
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome/

3rd party will analyze/examine that article for credibility gap.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2008, 03:35:27 PM »
can you post the original link with some commentary please.

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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2008, 03:40:23 PM »
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Did Skuzzy do that or a mod?

I commented, and even said if it was true...............

HMMM............

OK this guys CLAIMS he is Obama's brother AND claims ...........

How about you guys read it, consider upon it, and then make a comment?

And while we are at it ..............

hmmm...............
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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2008, 03:48:11 PM »
swiftboating!



Swift boating was a lot different. I was with the Swift Boat guys as was a lot of veterans.

THIS is the guys brother admitting what everybody already knows. That Obama was raised a Muslim. Americans are tolerant of religion. Unlike in Muslim countries this tolerance is even written into our constitution.

The Swift boat drama unfolded after Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam, and, lied about his actions afterwards. After 4 mos in country he flim-flammed his way into getting enough purple heart medals to get the hell out of there. Then he came home and joined the Jane Fonda crowd backstabbing his brothers in arms and lying about atrocities he saw there. At the time it was Politically helpful to slam the Vietnam war and the men who were fighting it. In 2004 it was Politically expedient to do otherwise. Thats why Kerry was waving the flag and talking up his Vietnam service.

Even his award of the Bronze star and Silver Star was disputed by numerous witnesses who were there. He repeatedly lied about American actions and his own service during the Winter Soldier debacle in 1971.

So if you are going to compare anything to "swiftboating" at least have the decency to have a clue about what your talking about.
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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2008, 03:56:41 PM »
Swift boating was a lot different. I was with the Swift Boat guys as was a lot of veterans.

THIS is the guys brother admitting what everybody already knows. That Obama was raised a Muslim. Americans are tolerant of religion. Unlike in Muslim countries this tolerance is even written into our constitution.

The Swift boat drama unfolded after Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam, and, lied about his actions afterwards. After 4 mos in country he flim-flammed his way into getting enough purple heart medals to get the hell out of there. Then he came home and joined the Jane Fonda crowd backstabbing his brothers in arms and lying about atrocities he saw there. At the time it was Politically helpful to slam the Vietnam war and the men who were fighting it. In 2004 it was Politically expedient to do otherwise. Thats why Kerry was waving the flag and talking up his Vietnam service.

Even his award of the Bronze star and Silver Star was disputed by numerous witnesses who were there. He repeatedly lied about American actions and his own service during the Winter Soldier debacle in 1971.

So if you are going to compare anything to "swiftboating" at least have the decency to have a clue about what your talking about.

Just out of curiousity, can you show me where what you've just claimed was proven to be true?

I remember McCain getting smeared pretty heavily too with the implication he was a traitor during his POW experience.

I don't recall either Kerry or McCain allegations having been proven to be accurate.
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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2008, 06:09:03 PM »
The numerous allegations against Kerry as to his in-country activities were made by people who served with him, and he never got into any specifcs about them, just denied them out of hand, and labeled the 254 Swift-Boaters right-wing-pawns. (AS opposed to the 14 who supported Kerry)


(note: for future reference, the definition of "swiftboating" is: "producing irrefutable evidence that a Democrat is lying.") :D
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2008, 06:13:13 PM »
Kinda left out the fact that the 14 all served WITH Kerry.

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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2008, 06:16:15 PM »
Swift boating was a lot different. I was with the Swift Boat guys as was a lot of veterans.

THIS is the guys brother admitting what everybody already knows. That Obama was raised a Muslim. Americans are tolerant of religion. Unlike in Muslim countries this tolerance is even written into our constitution.

The Swift boat drama unfolded after Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam, and, lied about his actions afterwards. After 4 mos in country he flim-flammed his way into getting enough purple heart medals to get the hell out of there. Then he came home and joined the Jane Fonda crowd backstabbing his brothers in arms and lying about atrocities he saw there. At the time it was Politically helpful to slam the Vietnam war and the men who were fighting it. In 2004 it was Politically expedient to do otherwise. Thats why Kerry was waving the flag and talking up his Vietnam service.

Even his award of the Bronze star and Silver Star was disputed by numerous witnesses who were there. He repeatedly lied about American actions and his own service during the Winter Soldier debacle in 1971.

So if you are going to compare anything to "swiftboating" at least have the decency to have a clue about what your talking about.


From Wiki:




Swift boat duty
On November 17, 1968, Kerry reported for duty at Coastal Squadron 1 in Cam Ranh Bay in South Vietnam. In his role as an officer in charge of Swift boats, Kerry led five-man crews on a number of patrols into enemy-controlled areas. His first command was Swift boat PCF-44, from December 6, 1968 to January 21, 1969, when the crew was disbanded. They were based at Coastal Division 13 at Cat Lo from December 13, 1968 to January 6, 1969. Otherwise, they were stationed at Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi. On January 30, 1969, Kerry took charge of PCF-94 and its crew, which he led until he departed An Thoi on March 26, 1969, and subsequently the crew was disbanded.[18]

On January 22, 1969, Kerry and several other officers had a meeting in Saigon with Admiral Elmo Zumwalt, the commander of U.S. Naval forces in Vietnam, and U.S. Army General Creighton Abrams, the overall commander of U.S. forces in Vietnam. Kerry and the other officers reported that the "free-fire zone" policy was alienating the Vietnamese and that the Swift boats' actions were not accomplishing their ostensible goal of interdicting Viet Cong supply lines. According to his biographer, Douglas Brinkley, Kerry and the other visiting officers felt their concerns were dismissed with what amounted to a pep talk (Tour of Duty, pp. 254–261).


Military honors
During the night of December 2, 1968 and early morning of December 3, 1968, Kerry was in charge of a small boat operating near a peninsula north of Cam Ranh Bay together with a Swift boat (PCF-60). According to Kerry and the two crewmen who accompanied him that night, Patrick Runyon and William Zaladonis, they surprised a group of men unloading sampans at a river crossing, who began running and failed to obey an order to stop. As the men fled, Kerry and his crew opened fire on the sampans and destroyed them, then rapidly left. During this encounter, Kerry received a minor wound in the left arm above the elbow. It was for this injury that Kerry received his first Purple Heart.[19]

Kerry received his second Purple Heart for a wound received in action on the Bo De River on February 20, 1969. The plan had been for the Swift boats to be accompanied by support helicopters. On the way up the Bo De, however, the helicopters were attacked. They returned to their base to refuel and were unable to return to the mission for several hours.

As the Swift boats reached the Cua Lon River, Kerry's boat was hit by a RPG round, and a piece of shrapnel hit Kerry's left leg, wounding him. Thereafter, they had no more trouble, and reached the Gulf of Thailand safely. Kerry still has shrapnel in his left thigh because the doctors tending to him decided to remove the damaged tissue and close the wound with sutures rather than make a wide opening to remove the shrapnel.[20] Kerry received his second Purple Heart for this injury, but like several others wounded earlier that day, he did not lose any time off from duty.[21][22]

Eight days later, on February 28, 1969, came the events for which Kerry was awarded his Silver Star. On this occasion, Kerry was in tactical command of his Swift boat and two others. Their mission included bringing a demolition team and dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers to destroy enemy sampans, structures and bunkers. Running into an ambush, Kerry "directed the boats to turn to the beach and charge the Viet Cong positions" and he "expertly directed" his boat's fire and coordinated the deployment of the South Vietnamese troops, according to the original medal citation (signed by Admiral Zumwalt). Going a short distance farther, Kerry's boat was the target of an RPG round; as the boat beached at the site, a VC with a rocket launcher jumped and ran from a spider hole. While the boat's gunner opened fire, wounding the VC on the leg, and while the other boats approached and offered cover fire, Kerry jumped from the boat and chased the VC and killed him, capturing a loaded rocket launcher.[23][24][24]

Kerry's commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander George Elliott, joked to Douglas Brinkley in 2003 that he didn't know whether to court-martial Kerry for beaching the boat without orders or give him a medal for saving the crew. Elliott recommended Kerry for the Silver Star, and Zumwalt flew into An Thoi to personally award medals to Kerry and the rest of the sailors involved in the mission. The Navy's account of Kerry's actions is presented in the original medal citation signed by Zumwalt. The engagement was documented in an after-action report, a press release written on March 1, 1969, and a historical summary dated March 17, 1969.[25]

On March 13, 1969, five Swift boats were returning to base together on the Bay Hap river from their missions that day, after a firefight earlier in the day (during which time Kerry received a slight shrapnel wound in the buttocks from blowing up a rice bunker), and debarking some but not all of the passengers at a small village. They approached a fishing weir (a series of poles across the river for hanging nets), so that one group of boats went around left, hugging the shore, and a group with Kerry's 94 boat went around right along the shoreline. A mine was detonated directly beneath the lead boat, PCF-3, as it crossed the weir to the left, lifting PCF-3 completely into the air.[26]

James Rassmann, a Green Beret advisor who was aboard PCF-94, was knocked overboard when, according to witnesses and the documentation of the event, a mine or rocket exploded close to the boat. According to the documentation for the event, Kerry's arm was injured when he was thrown against a bulkhead during the explosion. PCF 94 returned to the scene and Kerry rescued Rassmann from the water. Kerry received the Bronze Star for his actions during this incident; he also received his third Purple Heart.[27]

After the crew of PCF-3 had been rescued, and the most seriously wounded sailors evacuated by two of the PCFs, PCF 94 and another boat remained behind and helped salvage the stricken boat together with a damage-control party that had been immediately dispatched to the scene.


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Re: Malik Obama confirms
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2008, 06:18:07 PM »
As the presidential campaign of 2004 developed, approximately 200 Vietnam veterans formed the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth (SBVT), subsequently renamed Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, which held press conferences, ran ads and endorsed a book questioning Kerry's service record and his military awards. Defenders of John Kerry's war record asserted that some organizers of SBVT had close ties to the Bush presidential campaign and that SBVT's accusations were politically motivated and false. One particular point of controversy was the fact that almost none of the swift boat veterans actually served with Kerry in Vietnam, or even met him.

Swiftboating, in a nutshell; Who's war record looks' better now? Kerry's, Or Bush's hiding from Vietnam in the TANG?

Here's the link:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry#Controversy_over_military_service_and_awards

If you dispute the Wikipedia entry, please, by all means, go edit it.

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« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2008, 06:19:17 PM »
It's been said we have three brains, one cobbled on top of the next. The stem is first, the reptilian brain; then the mammalian cerebellum; finally the over developed cerebral cortex.  They don't work together in awfully good harmony - hence ax murders, mobs, and socialism.

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2008, 12:12:47 AM »
Swift boating was a lot different. I was with the Swift Boat guys as was a lot of veterans.



When and where?