have you ran away from a fight? (speak the truth)

[stegor]

Could I suggest you the word "extend" as way better appropriate, and in any case its not your business

[bizz]

It depends on the situation. Out of ammo, missing parts are no brainers. But if I feel the match up is favorable or even equal I'll stick around and fight it out. If I feel like I'm at disadvantage I'm gonna try and get out. But even then I"m not running, my mindset is an agressive one.  I'm always looking for the situation that I can reverse and fight with an advantage.

[Masherbrum]

Hey, I didn't let anybody use my joystick. I had gone to the TA earlier to work on my overshoots, the trainer had me adjust some settings (stall limiter and a few other things) and I'm still adjusting to it. So quit crying and suck it up you big baby. How about you go LOOK for a fight. Dont expect them to come to you. I saw you, an La-7, and  another spitty on me, I did what anybody else woulda done, I ran, eventually, the other 2 pulled off, but you were still 600 away from me, I couldnt do anything (still working on the rolling scissors overshoot) Instead of being mature and friendly about it, you had to respond to it in an immature way.

So instead of a usual "you ran from me, but I'll get ya eventually"  you gave me a "WAHH WAHH, 1PLUS TRIED TO PICK ME AND RAN, I'M GONNA GO CRY ON 200 AND ON TEH BOARDS AND BE A sweetheart ABOUT IT!!!! SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK SQUEAK"

I usually take a friendly approach on 200, country, on the boards, and in real life. I was friendly about it the whole time, you just had to do this.

~1pLUs44

Only one getting bent out of shape is you.   Also, you "made it a point" to mention me in your post.   Had you chose NOT TO, I never would have said a thing about it. 

You ran alright.   You also got shot down by Filth, while attempting to gang him.   I responded in a mature manner.   No lies, conjecture, or opinions were used in any of my posts, just the facts.   Your excuses of "working on overshoots" are BS because I easily outmaneuvered your pick attempt and you NO PROBLEMS saddling up on Filth.   

BTW, when you leveled off OTD, the "2 cons in question" were long called off.   They didn't follow and I was 600 behind you for easily 1/3rd of a sector.   

Again, make up any excuses you can.   Every post on the Ki 61 says "it sucks".   You were in a Spit 8.   Therefore, by said logic of the "AH Community" you had the advantage.   

Furthermore, you're the one pointing the "bad guy" finger at me, but yet, YOU are the one calling names.   

[Rich46yo]

I would never leave a friendly to fight for himself. And I dont care if I like the guy or not, as long as I had gas and bullets I'd drop and try and help him. Or especially if he called for help.

The way I see it in actual combat a friendly would never leave another friendly to die. The exception being large bomber formations where you cant just break up the formation due to one cripple. Anyway the fun for me in the game is to pretend your in WW-ll. And if you do get shot down? Well who really cares anyway?

[Zazen13]

The way I see it in actual combat a friendly would never leave another friendly to die. The exception being large bomber formations where you cant just break up the formation due to one cripple. Anyway the fun for me in the game is to pretend your in WW-ll. And if you do get shot down? Well who really cares anyway?

In actual combat some friendly moron wouldn't get low 'n slow with 10 Spit16's at the foot of their airbase where they can contrinually re-up and re-engage within 30 seconds after being shot down... If I see someone flying intelligently who just needs help egressing or is getting bounced they are deserving of help. If I see someone just barreling into 20 enemy, blowing all his E to merry go round with them, he's on his own;)

[BaldEagl]

In actual combat some friendly moron wouldn't get low 'n slow with 10 Spit16's at the foot of their airbase where they can contrinually re-up and re-engage within 30 seconds after being shot down... If I see someone flying intelligently who just needs help egressing or is getting bounced they are deserving of help. If I see someone just barreling into 20 enemy, blowing all his E to merry go round with them, he's on his own;)

Hmmm... sounds like someone I know.
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[E25280]

That's exactly it. Any plane with a significant turning advantage will obviously want you to stay and knife fight. The cards are all in his favor in a Co-E situation. It is the luxury afforded the faster plane to have the initiative to choose when/if/where/how there will be a fight, dis-engaging and re-engaging at will. That is the nature of air combat with dissimilar planes and always has been. The prudent exercise of that very tactical discretion is the reason the US beat the Japanese in the air.

I don't disagree with what Zazen has been saying, so please don't take this as such . . .

. . . but what I find ironic is that oftentimes it is the people who are good at "controlling" the fight with their superior speed/climb/etc. whine very loudly when the person at a tactical disadvantage equalizes the situation by bringing his nose about and squeezing the trigger . . .


As for "running" -- not that I can remember.  I certainly will, however, attempt to land a wounded bird to deny the enemy his kill if he was sloppy about it.  But I don't think that can be considered "running" when they are vulching you out of the hanger or BnZing you near your base.

Usually I do something silly instead of following the prudent course.  I've tried to chase enemies off friendlies with no ammo (hey, he doesn't know I am out of ammo!), and end up getting shot down later as a result.  Or end up being too aggressive (meaning, fly stupidly) and wind up with more than I can handle (usually an Oak or the occasional hillside).

A couple of nights ago I had upped a B-24 as part of a squad bombing mission.  When my ord was expended, I noticed a zeke over a carrier.  I could have just kept flying, but what's the fun of just landing?  I turned around, tried to bait the zeke into coming to get me, kept turning towards him . . . but I think he got wise to what I was doing and avoided me so he could protect the carrier from any lingering buffs that actually had bombs . . . I wasn't going to catch him, so I finally started to RTB only to notice a bit later that a Spit (8 or 16, can't recall) was chasing a friendly on the deck.  So, I inprudently turned my 24s and dove.  I played the angle fairly well (yay!!) and almost managed to cross the Spitty's path, firing at him as I did so.  He avoided my shots as far as I could tell, but it ruined his chase, and the friendly got away.  For some reason (maybe he was out of ammo?) the Spitty ignored me and he went the other way, back toward the carrier.  So, despite my best efforts, I did not manage to get killed.     Nor did I get a thank-you for the clear.   

[Zazen13]

I don't disagree with what Zazen has been saying, so please don't take this as such . . .

. . . but what I find ironic is that oftentimes it is the people who are good at "controlling" the fight with their superior speed/climb/etc. whine very loudly when the person at a tactical disadvantage equalizes the situation by bringing his nose about and squeezing the trigger . . .

That's a great point. In fact, this is one of the rules of Boelke's Dicta..."Always turn into the attacker to meet the attack". It is one of the few situations where risking a HO or forward quarter deflection shot is warranted and the correct move in alot of these situations. I am always super careful when attacking a Niki or Hurricane because I know a good pilot will definately pull a high G turn into my face if I give him the chance and I don't blame him when he does.

[angelsandair]

Only one getting bent out of shape is you.   Also, you "made it a point" to mention me in your post.   Had you chose NOT TO, I never would have said a thing about it. 

You ran alright.   You also got shot down by Filth, while attempting to gang him.   I responded in a mature manner.   No lies, conjecture, or opinions were used in any of my posts, just the facts.   Your excuses of "working on overshoots" are BS because I easily outmaneuvered your pick attempt and you NO PROBLEMS saddling up on Filth.   

BTW, when you leveled off OTD, the "2 cons in question" were long called off.   They didn't follow and I was 600 behind you for easily 1/3rd of a sector.   

Again, make up any excuses you can.   Every post on the Ki 61 says "it sucks".   You were in a Spit 8.   Therefore, by said logic of the "AH Community" you had the advantage.   

Furthermore, you're the one pointing the "bad guy" finger at me, but yet, YOU are the one calling names.   

Me? You're crying cuz I ran. Oh noes... zOMG! I adjusted my stick settings with a Trainer (Rolex) in the TA, wasn't used to it. If you wanna keep this going, take it to a PM and quit making more of a sweetheart out of yourself.

[SAS_KID]

Me? You're crying cuz I ran. Oh noes... zOMG! I adjusted my stick settings with a Trainer (Rolex) in the TA, wasn't used to it. If you wanna keep this going, take it to a PM and quit making more of a sweetheart out of yourself.

I believe one has just stated their own situation...

[angelsandair]

 

[Yossarian]

Yes I have.

Shortly after I started this game, I remember one time when I shot down a P-51D in my Spit XVI, and then ran from a lone C.205, mostly because I was so happy I'd finally gotten a kill and really wanted to land it.  Predictably, I was extremely annoyed, when, after outrunning the C.205, the game crashed as I came into land and lowered my flaps...

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Yossarian

[Masherbrum]

Me? You're crying cuz I ran. Oh noes... zOMG! I adjusted my stick settings with a Trainer (Rolex) in the TA, wasn't used to it. If you wanna keep this going, take it to a PM and quit making more of a sweetheart out of yourself.

I'm not, you're still the one slinging insults.   

[ZetaNine]

I'm not, you're still the one slinging insults.   

[AquaShrimp]

Yeah, sometimes it pays to disengage.  I watched a show about Duke Cunningham (the F-4 ace), and I've employed one of his tactics to help me disengage.  It really works too.  I usually fly the P-51.  On many occasions, I have found myself in a low speed rolling scissors with a more maneuverable plane (spit, ki84, etc).  I use the maneuver he talked about to get myself the hell out of a bad situation.

Heres my criteria for staying or for running.  If theres any chance of saving a friendly, I'll stay.  But if the situation is hopeless, screw'em.  I hate taking off and climbing.