Obama a Racist ?

[midnight Target]

I want to get this right.
MT, saying your proud of your race..... makes you racist?

No but go ahead and argue against yourself... you might win.

[JB88]

it' not a black and white issue for me.  it is a character issue.

[Bronk]

No but go ahead and argue against yourself... you might win.

I just wanted clarification, no need to get your pink frillies in a knot.

[SkyRock]

I spent a lot of time with black people when I was growing up.  The older generations were characterized by deep religious beliefs that emparted to them a quiet dignity.  That, coupled with a willingness to fight injustice without recourse to violence lent the causes for which they struggled a nobility no found amongst those of baser passions. THey had nothing, and wanted a level playing field and equality of opportunity.  Not handouts, but good jobs with equal pay.  

Making a career in education for the last three decades, I've had the opportunity to work with two generations of black children.  While the old ways can still be found, there have been some profound changes over that time.  The old dignity isn't as prevalent as it was in the past.  It's still there, but it is drowned out by the voices of a new ethos, characterized by drugs, violence, crudeness, sexual promiscuity, the basest and most socially destructive forms of music, contempt for intellectualism in all its forms, and contempt for all other ethnic groups.  A new form of racism has also developed, which is seen as politically correct and is defended by many of our "intellectual elite."

A sea change....

As a lady friend said to me awhile back;  "The Devil is after our kids."  Many despair of being able to save the younger generations, to bring them back to the elder ethos.  They would love to muzzle racial demagogues such as Farrakhan and Wright...just to end the negative influence those charlatans have over their children and grandchildren.

Perhaps I'm rambling.  I know I don't have any solutions to offer...and blacks concerned about the problems just mention don't seem to be able to come to grips with them either.  They need our help and sympathy;  not elitist arguments that attempt to white-wash or make excuses for the violence, the drugs, and the new racism.

Wow, I am a teacher now for 11 years and I work in the ghettos of Memphis.  This is exactly what I see on a daily basis.  Many of the older black people I work with and around are disgusted by the way the kids dress and act.  It is disheartening to them that Dr. King and others sacrificed so much for them to disrespect it so much.

[bj229r]

bj....that's just the introduction to a thesis.  Michelle was merely setting up the central theme.  She's basically making the statement that bias may exist on the Princeton campus, and that bias may effect or change the attitudes of black students toward poor blacks.  Variables of all types and empirical evidence would be discussed by the main body of the thesis.

On the other hand, mt, the question that popped into my mind as I read this was, "This is what passes for a thesis at Princeton?!"  While the main body of the thesis was not presented, I think her attempts at finding empirical evidence to support her contentions would be problematic at best.  In addition, I found her literary style to be plodding and pedantic. 

Her concern seemed to be that blacks who attended Princeton might be changed by the bias inherent in the faculty and the student body.  That change would manifest itself in an increased callousness toward lower-class blacks.  At least that's my take on it.  I found the entire premise to be flawed, if for no other reason than no student completes a four year stint in college without being changed in some way.  Yet, why would I lose all interest in poor, lower-class whites?  I have no way of proving it, but I doubt that most people would so readily turn their backs on those less fortunates within their own ethnic groups.

That's my point---she was even fixated on racism as a young adult at one of the most liberal, white-guilt-ridden institutions in the country--if she finds racism there. where WONT she find it? "As a BLACK man, my Barack could get shot at a gas station" --she neglects to mention the shooter would statistically be another black man (That pdf was like part 1 of 4, tedious to read)

[DREDIOCK]

You ladies gotta be chitting me.

Your moaning and groaning about something someone wrote what?
Probably 20 years ago?

Like I said "grasping at straws.

Same crap the left tried pulling with Bush the right is now doing

And from the snippets I've seen that are supposed to be oh so contraversial.
Nne of what I have read seems an unreasonable speculation or for that matter conclusion.

Try being one of two whites in a classroom of 20 blacks
Or being the lone longhair in a room full of straights

Or the only one or two of anything in a place filled with something else.

You too might feel oppressed or feel the need to seek out and band together with those of your own kind.

I promise you that you too will feel like you dont belong.

And we're still talking 20+ years go here.

I dont know of anyone who still holds all the same views as they did 20 years ago. I know I sure as hell dont.

And alot has changed in the last 20 years.

20 years ago I wouldnt be able to have a conversation about race relations with a black man without it degrading into a screaming match complete with racial slurs being uttered from both sides or fist fight in relitively short order.

Seeing black and white kids hanging out together was still pretty rare 20 years ago.
Around here now its common.
Same thing with interracial couples.
It was alot less accepted 20 years ago then it is today.

20 years is a long time to hold someones words or actions against them

Im not an Obama supporter.
Actually Im not an anyone supporter
I see our choices being between a white turd. or a half black turd.
Both turds stink.
In the end all any of us are going to get is the proverbial watermelon sandwich regardless of who gets elected

But I find this going back in time grasp straws attempt just as pathetic as I did with Bush and coke.
and Clinton and smoking pot.

A True sign of desperation.
Throw up a bunch of mud and see what sticks.

I dont give a damn what someone did 20 years ago.
I'd be more concerned in how they have progressed since then

[DREDIOCK]

That's my point---she was even fixated on racism as a young adult at one of the most liberal, white-guilt-ridden institutions in the country--if she finds racism there. where WONT she find it? "As a BLACK man, my Barack could get shot at a gas station" --she neglects to mention the shooter would statistically be another black man (That pdf was like part 1 of 4, tedious to read)

Been to Princeton lately?

Its about a 10 minute ride from my house

Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)

Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class  and lower class blacks.

Yes Princton has its own little slum area

Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.

One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird

[BTW]

CNN headline news that Obama is calling upon dead-beat Black fathers to live up to their parental obligations..On Fathers day?

Why is skin complexion an issue when it comes to non payment of child support?

I think this man's true "colours" are surfacing.

"Race" is a non-issue...Considering we all decended from the same small region of Africa,are we not all "brothers"?

Jesse Peterson of BOND  (link : http://www.bondinfo.org/) has been saying this for years.  So Obama regurgitates Peterson and he's prophetic? He's a 2 bit Chicago politician. And the mainstream media are a crew of hypocritical,  racist fools, who have ignored Jesse Peterson and promoted the divisiveness of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. When Peterson's message is given by a white looking black man, then they pay attention. They're racist fools.

[bj229r]

Been to Princeton lately?

Its about a 10 minute ride from my house

Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)

Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class  and lower class blacks.

Yes Princton has its own little slum area

Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.

One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird

Have no clue or care about the town, I'm referring to the afore-mentioned limousine liberal school--as for 20 years ago, by all accounts, she is as fixated on our 'unfair' society now as she was then, as most of Barack's closest people seem to be. (In fairness, he doesn't bring the matter up himself, that I've ever seen)

[CAP1]

Been to Princeton lately?

Its about a 10 minute ride from my house

Take a ride past there during the school year and you will see it is still predominantly made up of white upper uppper class (no typo on the double upper)

Take a ride around town and you will see two types of Princtonians. Upper white class  and lower class blacks.

Yes Princton has its own little slum area

Heading south on Nassau St, Hang a right on Moore St a couple blocks
Away from the fancy well maintained 2-300 year old buildings you will see some of the most run down houses you can find anywhere.

One thing I can say about native Princtonians is no matter the race. I have never in my life seen a people so "into" their town. As they are in Princeton.
Weird like a twilight zone movie weird

i've flown over princeton.....i'll be happy with that...no need for me to go there.

[lazs2]

skyrock said..

"Wow, I am a teacher now for 11 years and I work in the ghettos of Memphis.  This is exactly what I see on a daily basis.  Many of the older black people I work with and around are disgusted by the way the kids dress and act.  It is disheartening to them that Dr. King and others sacrificed so much for them to disrespect it so much"

Wow.. skyrock made an observation and actually came to the right conclusion based on it.... I didn't think this was possible.

lazs

[DiabloTX]

"Have you forgotten, that once we were brought here, we were robbed of our name, robbed of our language, we lost our religion, our culture, our gods... and many of us by the way we act, we even lost our mind."  -MLK

[lazs2]

dred..  I have indeed been the minority.. and a hated and feared one at that.. in my life..  they didn't call us 1% ers for nothing.   

Even then..  I came to the correct conclusion tho.. all of the hate.. or the vast majority of it.. and all the trouble..  was of my own making.   

pretty simple stuff.

lazs

[Mojava]

 So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll.   That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs. 

[CAP1]

So the young folks are rebelling against the beliefs of the older generation? Isn't that what got us rock and roll.   That music is too loud!!! When I was your age I would get up an hour before I went to bed to go to work. You guys sound like a bunch of old women. Surprising the excuse racists use to justify there beliefs. 

no, they're not rebeling, but rather they're simply disrespecting them. there's a difference. these people just don't care. go to any neighborhood that they live in, and look at what they do to the very areas they live in. they destroy it. then they blame everyone else for their problems. did you or anyone you know go around constantly breaking windows, garffitying everything in sight? selling drugs and weapons on the street corner just up from your house?
then when a state trooper shoots one of these kids because he shot at the cop, then ran, you get the parents screaming  """oooooo my bily!!! he never did nuthin wrong!!!! why the cop shoot mah booyy???""" and why? because billy was selling crack, got caught, and rather than do the smart thing, he tries to kill a cop.
 somehow, i don't think the "rebels" of 20 years ago did these sorts of things.

and to answer the original question, yes he is, along with his wife.



sorry 'bout the rant.

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