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Offline bj229r

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The EU poofers?
« on: June 18, 2008, 06:09:43 AM »
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4128055.ece

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The future of the European Union was tonight clouded in uncertainty after Ireland voted No to the Lisbon Treaty.

Jose Manuel Barroso, European Commission President, and a raft of foreign ministers expressed dismay that Ireland - the only member state to hold a referendum on the matter - chose to reject it decisively by 53.4 per cent to 46.6 per cent.

Amid wild cheers from No campaigners, the results were revealed at 5pm with 862,415 votes against and 752,451 in favour, giving a majority of 109,964 against.

However, the Lisbon Treaty - the reworked successor to the formal constitutional pact dumped by voters in France and the Netherlands in 2005 - officially needs the approval of all 27 EU member states, meaning the way forward for the union is now uncertain.
Not sure how the European members of this bbs feel about this--I must say I AM surprised that Ireland was the ONLY country to actually let the commoners have a say in the disintegration of their autonomy. (And with the incredible surge of the Irish economy following many free-reforms, why would they?)
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2008, 06:19:41 AM »
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the disintegration of their autonomy.

It wasd not the question nor the purpose.

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(And with the incredible surge of the Irish economy following many free-reforms, why would they?)

two words : structural fund.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2008, 06:55:51 AM »
bj - Ireland's economy is doing well precisely because of the EU. It's not because of independent action on their part, as Straffo points out.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »
bj229r...why do you hate the EU?
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 07:12:28 AM »
do you think that if canada invaded us and wanted us to say eh plus have to speak french (just say non) the EU could come over here save us and give us foriegn aid?  it could happen right?
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Offline lazs2

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2008, 07:43:47 AM »
so none of the other countries got to vote for it?   The only one that did turned it down?

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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2008, 08:24:29 AM »
None of the others needed to vote for it.  They are well enough being told what to do.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 08:43:57 AM »
The people just put up with that?  We should move the UN to over there somewhere.

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Offline klingan

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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 09:56:01 AM »
I think one of the reasons Sweden did not get to vote on it is, we would have said NO also.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 12:50:32 PM »
Quote from: Curval on June 18, 2008, 06:57:46 AM
bj229r...why do you hate the EU?

Europe would be great if not for all of the Europeans.  :P
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 12:52:49 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on June 18, 2008, 12:50:32 PM
Europe would be great if not for all of the Europeans.  :P

Naaa... It would just be the middle east.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 12:55:52 PM »
Quote from: slipknot on June 18, 2008, 12:52:49 PM
Naaa... It would just be the middle east.

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Offline Maverick

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 01:00:23 PM »
Doggone slipknot, you finally posted something that I thought had merit.

 :rofl That's going to leave a mark.
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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 02:24:47 PM »
Quote from: Dowding on June 18, 2008, 06:55:51 AM
Ireland's economy is doing well precisely because of the EU. It's not because of independent action on their part, as Straffo points out.

what Dowding said,
and Europe is not about disintegration or autonomy,
still alot people dont see the bigger view and are afraid, its understandable though,
alot changed in Europe, fast, just in a few years.
In the end it will pay off for the members, the future will be more & more  difficult for the "alone in the dark" players.

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Re: The EU poofers?
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 02:27:01 PM »
yeah.. you are taking away their right to make a choice for their own good.

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