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Offline lazs2

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2008, 09:26:39 AM »
How would you do that?  the democrats and the media would parade people out on the news every nite with starving babies and hard luck stories till you felt so guilty that you went back to giving the money to any pimp who asked for it.

Once you start on that slope.. how do you set limits?  in a socialism world where there is no right or wrong.. only gray areas..  How do you make rules that are just?

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2008, 09:35:01 AM »
Actually, in a pre-socialism world, you are a bad guy if you are honest, hard working and actually try to do your part for your country and the community. What still amazes me is though, how these people want to make America like that.  :mad:
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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2008, 09:37:18 AM »


Once you start on that slope.. how do you set limits?  in a socialism world where there is no right or wrong.. only gray areas..  How do you make rules that are just?

lazs




good place to start....two methods:

* recipients are given a non-negotiable date when ALL benefits run-out.

* constant drug testing.  blow it...and lose your benefits.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2008, 09:41:45 AM »
not even sure that they are capable of knowing what they want at this point.   They have been endoctrinated to believe that they are being treated unfairly and that they deserve the handouts for so long now.. so many generations.. that they lack any ability to see clearly anymore one way or the other.

In that respect well meaning liberal white people with their idea of a socialist utopia are far more to blame than the people they have made dependent.

You can get an outline of how it all works by reading some entertaining fiction like Ayn Rand's books.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2008, 09:46:48 AM »
zeta..  I agree but that is because I am an individualist and heartless and insensitive..  as would you have to be when the 10 oclock news paraded out the poor starving children and the "good mother" who just made a mistake.

You would be portrayed as an ogre if you had the power and heartless by your peers if you did not.   We have gone to far down the slope for any such program to not be rife with corruption and ill fated good intentions.

The ACLU would attack every effort to drug test or put time limits on welfare.. or require work.. there would be all sorts of "gray" area cases paraded out to show how mean we were all being..

It is like the three strikes law... constantly it is shown how some poor 3 time violent felon is being treated mean or unfairly.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2008, 09:50:16 AM »
No question welfare is a disaster. I will always however, take exception to lazs' contention that people act that way due to their skin color. That, my friends  is just plain ignorant.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2008, 09:51:07 AM »
Well, I guess the best thing for me to do is to just watch and see what happens... Nothing I can do about it.. I'm 15 (shoot and I'm smarter than most of those democrats in politics...)


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« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2008, 09:57:54 AM »
mt... where did I say that skin color had anything to do with it?   How would I know?   I am simply saying that things are what they are.. I leave it to you to read the chicken bones or tarot cards and say why.

I do think tho that white liberal socialists are the most to blame for the mess.. who knows... maybe if they had done the same to a group of isolated whites for generations we would get the same results.

I don't even care to tell the truth.   The facts are that they chose negros to experiment on.. as a result.. those people are now amoung the worst citizens of this country.   they have destroyed those people.   

On a personal level.. I can see that but that doesn't make me stupid enough to not see it and avoid these ruined souls.   I am not here to fix it only to observe and avoid.   I can't fix it because I don't have the power so I do the only logical thing and avoid the people the liberals have created.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2008, 10:54:53 AM »
mt... where did I say that skin color had anything to do with it?   How would I know?   I am simply saying that things are what they are.. I leave it to you to read the chicken bones or tarot cards and say why.

I do think tho that white liberal socialists are the most to blame for the mess.. who knows... maybe if they had done the same to a group of isolated whites for generations we would get the same results.

I don't even care to tell the truth.   The facts are that they chose negros to experiment on.. as a result.. those people are now amoung the worst citizens of this country.   they have destroyed those people.   

On a personal level.. I can see that but that doesn't make me stupid enough to not see it and avoid these ruined souls.   I am not here to fix it only to observe and avoid.   I can't fix it because I don't have the power so I do the only logical thing and avoid the people the liberals have created.

lazs

Yep, and liberals say that "only criminals carry guns" and they wanna out law them too. After guns are outlawed, it'll be a fact.
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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2008, 11:18:02 AM »
How exactlly would you sand bag miles of levies? It's one thing to sandbag a dam or a small location, but you do understand there are miles of levies in New Orleans? So exactlly where did you expect them to start?

Well in 93 when I was there (Keokuk Iowa) we sandbagged miles of levies with boats, 4 wheelers, pickups, and dump trucks. We had hundreds of regular people filling, hauling, and stacking sandbags. We had the National Guard out in force with their heavy equipment and personel to haul bags. We even had inmates from several minimum security prisons and county jails who voluntered, out on the levies stacking bags, and in the sand pits filling them. Why did all these people do all this work? Because they live there and they take pride in their towns and the neighbors. I know of one guy that had lost his home in 93. A levie gave way and his home was gone. The resturant he owned was OK though. Even after he lost his home he was still bringing free food from his resturant out to people working on the other levies because it was something he could do to help. Others had lost everything and were living in shelters, yet they still came out everyday to help so other wouldn't go through what they were going through.

The differance between the midwest in 93 and now, vs New Orleans is that the folks in the midwest tend to do for themselves rather than wait for the gubment to do for them like in New Orleans.

That may sound harsh but its the truth. I've lived in both places and I know first hand the differance in how people from both areas think.

At least the flooding on the Mississippi river this time isn't quite as bad as it was in 93. It's close but it could be worse.

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2008, 11:20:57 AM »
1300 people lost their lives ...they were told to leave and they never.....hense they died.
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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2008, 11:50:52 AM »
Well in 93 when I was there (Keokuk Iowa) we sandbagged miles of levies with boats, 4 wheelers, pickups, and dump trucks. We had hundreds of regular people filling, hauling, and stacking sandbags. We had the National Guard out in force with their heavy equipment and personel to haul bags. We even had inmates from several minimum security prisons and county jails who voluntered, out on the levies stacking bags, and in the sand pits filling them. Why did all these people do all this work? Because they live there and they take pride in their towns and the neighbors. I know of one guy that had lost his home in 93. A levie gave way and his home was gone. The resturant he owned was OK though. Even after he lost his home he was still bringing free food from his resturant out to people working on the other levies because it was something he could do to help. Others had lost everything and were living in shelters, yet they still came out everyday to help so other wouldn't go through what they were going through.

The differance between the midwest in 93 and now, vs New Orleans is that the folks in the midwest tend to do for themselves rather than wait for the gubment to do for them like in New Orleans.

That may sound harsh but its the truth. I've lived in both places and I know first hand the differance in how people from both areas think.

At least the flooding on the Mississippi river this time isn't quite as bad as it was in 93. It's close but it could be worse.

Yet again you mis the entire point about sand bags would do nothing.. The levies washed out, one was hit by a barge that got loose. No amount of sand bags was going to stop the flooding once the levies gave way. It's a entirely different scenario than in the Midwest and the Midwest isn't under sea level.

Hurricanes are also a much different animal and NO wasn't the expected target until the last min. With a hurricane you have maybe two days at best notice of where it will hit and then it's not certain until it hits where exactly it will go. With those two days you are lucky to get your house boarded up and get the hell out of the way because of traffic jams and gas shortages.

You damn sure don't have time to sit around filling sand bags.. N.O. was "the" worst case scenario and something that has never happened before.

The Midwest deals with floods every few years. N.O. has never been hit by a hurricane like that, so how can you expect them to be prepared when not even the federal govt was prepared for it. Again you talk about the National Guard helping you. Well again I will tell you the National Guard is never brought in "before" the storm with a hurricane. They are brought in after with N.O. it was days after.

Unless you have lived where a major hurricane has hit, well you just have no idea what it's like. Hurricanes and floods are apples and oranges and if you think people have time to sit around filling sand bags when a category 4 or 5 is heading your way you are off your rocker. I live in Florida and I've been though several Hurricanes and I can tell half you you guys itching have never experienced one.
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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2008, 12:01:51 PM »
I live in Florida

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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2008, 01:21:01 PM »
I've been through a few Hurricanes, so I'm with you on this one Crockett.

And Lasz, please (sincerely) please stop referring to Black American's a 'negros' while it was socially acceptable up until the 60's it's not exactly kosher anymore.  It's your call, but I thought I would ask nicely.

Thanks

Oh and Diablo... I believe you that Houston got screwed.  I'm sorry for that.  We in D.C. had a spike too... And while there were definitely folks who have abused the system, I believe that the majority of the people displaced by Katrina are good folks that got kicked in the arse by mother nature.  I work directly with poor populations and had extensive contact with folks from N.O. after Katrina... and while there were a few that I would have loved to choke, the vast majority were grateful for the assistance and looking for jobs and places to rent (not be given).  I met a ton of heroic folks from N.O. and that's why when I hear blanket statements made about them it gets my Irish Up. 
 
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Re: So I've been watching the news lately and...
« Reply #44 on: June 20, 2008, 01:49:00 PM »
Well, I guess the best thing for me to do is to just watch and see what happens... Nothing I can do about it.. I'm 15 (shoot and I'm smarter than most of those democrats in politics...)




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