Author Topic: YB-40/YB-41  (Read 647 times)

Offline angelsandair

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3126
      • RT Website
YB-40/YB-41
« on: June 20, 2008, 08:54:45 PM »
          Make it as an option for your formation of bombers. 




The YB-40's mission was to provide a heavily-gunned escort capable of accompanying the bombers all the way to the target and back. Overall the concept proved a failure because the YB-40 could not keep up with standard B-17Fs, particularly after they had dropped their bombs. Of the initial order of 13, one was damaged in a forced landing on the Isle of Lewis en route to England, and the remaining 12 were assigned to the 92nd Bomb Group (H) and designated the 327th Bomb Squadron.

Between May 29 and August 16, 1943, the YB-40 flew 14 of the 19 combat missions scheduled by the 8th Air Force, although on the mission of June 26 all the YB-40s scheduled were unable to form up with the bombing squadron, and returned to base. Altogether of the 59 aircraft dispatched, 48 sorties were credited. Five German fighter kills and 2 probables (likely kills) were claimed on the 13 missions flown, and one YB-40 was lost, shot down by flak on the June 22 mission to Hüls, Germany. Tactics were revised on the final five missions by placing a pair of YB-40s in the lead element of the strike to protect the mission commander.

One YB-40 of the second order, reflecting modifications requested during combat trials to lighten the aircraft, joined the 327th in October, 1943, but by then B-17G models were beginning to appear and the final YB-40 was not flown in combat. All the deployed YB-40s were returned to the United States and converted to training aircraft, as were 11 aircraft of the second order.

One of the most unusual stories involving the use of a YB-40 was to counter the efforts of an Italian pilot, Guido Rossi, who had begun to offensively fly a captured P-38 Lightning fighter that had been forced to land, low on fuel, over Sardinia in the spring of 1943. Rossi used the P-38 as a supposedly "friendly" aircraft to first draw in, then shoot down, crippled American aircraft. Lt. Harold Fisher, a USAAF bomber pilot who had been victimized by Rossi's still-American-marked P-38, was able to get the use of a YB-40 to try and turn the tables on the Italian pilot. On August 31, 1943, Rossi appeared in the sky in the general vicinity of the YB-40, and Fisher drew Rossi in with radio conversation. Eventually the Italian pilot became furious at one of Fisher's statements, and the attacking P-38 fell apart from the hail of bullets from the YB-40's guns. This event was documented in the pages of aviation author Martin Caidin's book "Flying Forts", about B-17 action in WW II Europe.[1],[2]

Despite the failure of the project as an operational aircraft, it led directly to modifications conspicuous on the final production variant of the B-17, the B-17G:

Chin turret
Offset waist gun positions
Improved tail gunner station.


General characteristics

Crew: 10
Length: 74 ft 4 in (22.7 m)
Wingspan: 103 ft 10 in (31.6 m)
Height: 19 ft 1 in (5.8 m)
Wing area: 1,527 ft² (141.9 m²)
Empty weight: 54,900 lb (24,900 kg)
Loaded weight: 72,134 lb (32,720 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 74,000 lb (34,000 kg)
Powerplant: 4× Wright R-1820-65 turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW) each
Performance

Maximum speed: 292 mph (470 km/h)
Cruise speed: 196 mph (315 km/h)
Range: 2,260 mi (3,640 km)
Service ceiling 29,200 ft (8,900 m)
Rate of climb: ft/min (m/s)
Wing loading: 47.2 lb/ft² (231 kg/m²)
Power/mass: 0.066 hp/lb (0.11 kW/kg)
Armament

Guns: 14 (or more) × .50 in (12.7 mm) Browning M2 machine guns. Typically used 14-16, with room for up to 30.
Location Rounds
Nose 2200
Front top turret 2500
Aft top turret 3300
Ball turret 300
Waist guns 1200
Tail guns 1200
Total 10,700





YB-41 is a B-24 Variant.  :aok
Quote
Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes

Offline Motherland

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8110
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 08:55:19 PM »
I though 'YB' denoted an experimental design or prototype?

Offline angelsandair

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3126
      • RT Website
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2008, 08:59:09 PM »
I though 'YB' denoted an experimental design or prototype?

It apparently saw squadron service and action. I know the YB-40 did, I didn't read up on the YB-41 though.
Quote
Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes

Offline Captain Virgil Hilts

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6128
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2008, 09:00:22 PM »
Caiden is full of crap. Further, the gunned up B-17 could not keep up with a regular B-17 after the regular B-17 dropped its bombs, so the gunned up B-17 became a liability on the trip home.
"I haven't seen Berlin yet, from the ground or the air, and I plan on doing both, BEFORE the war is over."

SaVaGe


Offline Guppy35

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 20385
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2008, 09:00:44 PM »
it was overloaded, and didn't really serve it's purpose.  It could not keep up with the regular bombers.  It was retired quickly.  The 17s have enough 50s already.

And as was stated, Caiden's story is a total fabrication.
Dan/CorkyJr
8th FS "Headhunters

Offline angelsandair

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3126
      • RT Website
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2008, 09:01:48 PM »
it was overloaded, and didn't really serve it's purpose.  It could not keep up with the regular bombers.  It was retired quickly.  The 17s have enough 50s already.

Could be added as an option for a drone.  :noid

May as well, I havent put up too much stuff on the wish list in a while.
Quote
Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes

Offline SSgtHam

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 110
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 01:50:19 AM »
Drone or not, pretty soon you'd have people using these things as massive slow-flying gun platforms to vulch fields.  It'd just add something else we don't really need to the game. 

N00b: "d00d, i got dis AB-17, iz got liek fifty katrillion gunz on it, its liek teh AC-130 2day"

Offline B3YT

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 893
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2008, 02:17:31 AM »
i already up b17's at a capped feild as a gunship.....
As the cleaners say :"once more unto the bleach"

Offline angelsandair

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3126
      • RT Website
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2008, 12:27:54 PM »
i already up b17's at a capped feild as a gunship.....

It could be your main bomber and the other 2 drones are the ones that have bombs. You get into your gunsight and everything and when you drop bombs, only the 2 drones will drop them.  :aok
Quote
Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2008, 02:43:02 PM »
One of the most unusual stories involving the use of a YB-40 was to counter the efforts of an Italian pilot, Guido Rossi, who had begun to offensively fly a captured P-38 Lightning fighter that had been forced to land, low on fuel, over Sardinia in the spring of 1943. Rossi used the P-38 as a supposedly "friendly" aircraft to first draw in, then shoot down, crippled American aircraft. Lt. Harold Fisher, a USAAF bomber pilot who had been victimized by Rossi's still-American-marked P-38, was able to get the use of a YB-40 to try and turn the tables on the Italian pilot. On August 31, 1943, Rossi appeared in the sky in the general vicinity of the YB-40, and Fisher drew Rossi in with radio conversation. Eventually the Italian pilot became furious at one of Fisher's statements, and the attacking P-38 fell apart from the hail of bullets from the YB-40's guns. This event was documented in the pages of aviation author Martin Caidin's book "Flying Forts", about B-17 action in WW II Europe.[1],[2]

not true.


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song

Offline angelsandair

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3126
      • RT Website
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 10:25:20 PM »
not true.


ack-ack

It's what I get for getting this info off of wikipedia...  :rolleyes:
Quote
Goto Google and type in "French military victories", then hit "I'm feeling lucky".
Here lie these men on this sun scoured atoll,
The wind for their watcher, the wave for their shroud,
Where palm and pandanus shall whisper forever,
A requiem fitting for heroes

Offline Tails

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 604
Re: YB-40/YB-41
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2008, 02:37:33 AM »
As an individual aircraft, I don't see it being a likely addition. However, if and when we ever get a perk ordnance system I could possibly see it as a loadout option. Kinda like what they were thinking with the C-hog.
BBTT KTLI KDRU HGQK GDKA SODA HMQP ACES KQTP TLZF LKHQ JAWS SMZJ IDDS RLLS CHAV JEUS BDLI WFJH WQZQ FTXM WUTL KH

(Yup, foxy got an Enigma to play with)