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Offline moot

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Perfect example of
« on: June 21, 2008, 11:49:54 PM »
A player insisting there's something fishy going on with the guy who shot him down, when said player's flying is what's killing him..
Film.
Maneuvers ("ACM"), a good picture of what's going on ("Situational awareness"), good gunnery, and other details (like not hesitating - each half second is worth a lot of angles in a fight for a killshot) make or break every fight.  So when you see someone talking about "cheat this", "hack that", you need to see the film, or film it if it happens to you, and have an experienced player or two's opinion before crying wolf.
The odds are about 99.99999999999999% that there's nothing fishy at all.  There's also very good odds that when you look at the film, how it happened doesn't even look mysterious anymore. This film's a good illustration of that.

Not sure if this goes in here, or in the help & training forum.. It's the 100th+ time since I've been playing the game that this happens (not just to me obviously), and often enough the guy will be saying stuff like "I've been playing forever, I know what I'm talking about", etc. 
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2008, 11:54:18 PM »
m00t just remember some people; even if they played for 5 years straight might not have even learned how to dogfight.
If they call you a cheater just tell them to email the film to skuzzy and ignore it. I am not even going to view the film because I do have
quite a few films of you flying around me and I know what kind of stick you are, so bothering to watch a film of someone just getting owned, I rather just tell that person he could of just said "Good kill, what did I do wrong? if so can you help me get better?"

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 11:57:04 PM »
But they ought to know better than say (e.g.) a Ta is turning like a hurricane.  That's like the spitfire/la7 helicopter thing.  It's funny and accurate enough for a caricature, and dangit those dweeby planes deserve it.. But it's another thing to say it seriously and spread rumors of it.
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 11:59:16 PM »
I believe you are 100% correct Moot. However, when I first came back there were several people who were questionable. Guess what, they are no longer around. Still though, I cannot argue with your 99.99999% theory.

BTW Adonai, I'm one of those guys who has been around for a long time and still can't fight worth beans.

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 12:01:28 AM »
But they ought to know better than say (e.g.) a Ta is turning like a hurricane.  That's like the spitfire/la7 helicopter thing.  It's funny and accurate enough for a caricature, and dangit those dweeby planes deserve it.. But it's another thing to say it seriously and spread rumors of it.

Well it depends if its a seasoned veteran player or just some random new guy on his 2 week trial. If its some veteran and he didn't ask you what he did wrong then its all his fault. However if it was a new guy thats calling you out just offer him to goto the training arena to learn a few tricks and ask what he did wrong. Seriously if they want to make an excuse why a "ta152" out turns their spitfire then it goes to show they didnt even look at gonzo's to see the turn radius of a 152 vs whatever to begin with.

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 12:03:39 AM »
Nice ping from 500 out. I can't hit watermelon past 400 with MG151's.
I have to say though, aside from the all around nice flying, I don't see anything special about that film? Except that you did that with a DT on...

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 12:06:02 AM »
"Say it."   :lol

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 12:22:29 AM »
Nice ping from 500 out. I can't hit watermelon past 400 with MG151's.
I have to say though, aside from the all around nice flying, I don't see anything special about that film? Except that you did that with a DT on...
Pretty average/crappy flying on my part yep.. It makes my point even better :) 
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 12:57:25 AM »
that was worth it just for that comment moot 'say it'  :rofl
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 01:33:36 AM »
everyone has been a victim of a spit-copter some move on, some brood over it.

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 02:22:09 AM »
I only see a film of m00t and some nice flying and shooting by him.
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 10:05:40 AM »
everyone has been a victim of a spit-copter some move on, some brood over it.

Hm, you didn't watch the film, did you?
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 10:21:00 AM »
Huh...one wonders why you didn't use your "hack" to save yourself from being gang-banged by the Spit and F4U at the end of the film?  :huh

Perfect example of what Mr. Miyagi said. "Walk down right side of road, okay. Walk down left side of road, okay. Walk down middle of the road *splaaat*" The other pilot didn't seem to know whether he wanted to slow down and turn with you, or keep his smash and E fight you. Either option would have let a 109 beat a 152 without too much trouble, but not choosing either went badly for the other guy.

Pretty average/crappy flying on my part yep.. It makes my point even better :)  :D

Oh quit it!  :D Honestly, excessive modesty gets as annoying as the chest-beating monkeyism sometimes...You KNOW you did something special/unexpected/fairly badass with that Ta-152, otherwise you wouldn't have know you were going to be called "hacker" before it happened!

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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2008, 10:42:06 AM »
My personal favourite is my "BS stall move" which is actually just quick use of flaps. Some clown came in with a 109F with E on me and copped a head full of 20mm after the first turn while I was in a 190D9.

Spanking someone and then being called a 'hacker', 'cheater' or 'BS something or other' is one of the best compliments you can get.

It means that not only did you win the fight, you did it so convincingly against all odds that they cannot understand it. 
 
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Re: Perfect example of
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2008, 11:37:02 AM »
Sadly,  I've never been accused of cheating.

I need to seriously up my game.
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