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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2008, 01:26:23 PM »

http://zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm

http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

A site i found debunking zeitgeist.

Worth reading, so you don't believe and repeat without at least seeing another side. 
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2008, 01:37:37 PM »
Reading it, by the look of it it will take longer to read than the movie takes to watch.  :lol

Jeez it will take time because in order to verify what he quote is correct, one has to watch the film at the same time.  :(
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2008, 02:16:30 PM »
"These fires surely weakened any metal that was in the building, especially the primary truss for its open lobby design."

This is simply not true.  :lol

Talk to a construction engineer about the quality of metal used in tall building core structure, and fires.

If I am to question the zeitgeist movie (which is not entirely true) I also have to question this guy, why is he doing this in the first place?

"Just like the Twin Towers, there are not many ways tall, large buildings can fall, except directly down." This is to avoid what the movie maker concludes about building 7, that it was brought down by explosives.

"The film goes on to claim that in the 9/11 Commission report, building seven is "not mention[ed] at all". I guess they assume (probably correctly) that the viewer did not actually read it. I, however, have read it and I remember reading various things about building seven. Unfortunately for them, it is mentioned on pages 301, 310, 319, and 322 (twice)"

Then why does he not quote what it says? If it's that important and dismiss any doubt as to why the building came down.



I could go on... but don't care really. This guy, while some of it is true, is also lying. End conclusion is that you can't completely write off either of these guys. The important thing to remember though is, what is fact? Melting temperatures of steel is pretty much fact, is it not? Construction engineering is science, is it not?



I tend to believe the construction engineer when he says that the structure they designed could withstand several airline crashes without collapsing.
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2008, 02:41:08 PM »
There are plenty of videos and web pages that debunk the 9/11 "truthers" conspiracy theories, including  building 7 and the steel losing it's strength from heat.

  When i was working in the air conditioning field i used to have to heat up copper tubing regularly. Before it was heated it took alot of effort to squish the end with a pair of pliers.  When it becomes hot, well below its melting point, you can squish the end with very little effort and braze it shut. 

I think this guy, who i honestly don't know to much about, was just trying to make the point that if zeitgiest is being promoted as fact with so many holes and lies in the story, how can any of it really be taken seriously. 

A friend of mine who was a conservative around this time last year, has been bombarding me with this conspiracy stuff since january, so when i'm bored i like to look up stuff to debunk his theories, and send them to him. He really gets mad which is funny.

Anyway,  I believe American Civil War part 2 is going to happen before the end of this century.  When it does, i wonder what effect it will have on the rest of the world. Other countries might try and kick us while we're down causing WWIII. 

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2008, 02:48:39 PM »
Or they just won't bother with the US and only furhter their own agendas in other parts of the world. If the US have a civil war, that will take them off the global stage for the duration of it. There are plenty of countries that could take advantage of that.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2008, 06:28:57 PM »
you people still believe the towers were taken down by those who our "Government" say?

building 7 was purposely "pulled" the owner of the buildings said so himself, due to "fire damage"

the only skyscrapers to ever fall from fire, are the towers. i saw a building (tower) in china or japan(cant remember which) that burned for days, the entire building was ablaze, guess what? it never "collapsed" and there are a few instances of that!

do a search on burning skyscrapers and see for yourself.

this government wants its people to believe what ever they say, they have LIED to us so many times, and have murdered there own people, and now they are doing the same thing for oil, wake the F#$k up!!   

or dont, and live as a robot, cause thats all you are!!

our constatution says "when the government fails to do its job correctly its the American people OBLIGATION to stand up and put into place a new one that will..."

well i say murdering its own people is "not doing its job correctly"  murdering other people for money is also a crime they should be prosecuted for.

but then again when the majority of the populace are robots there seat is pretty well safe.

do you people realize how much a senator or a seat holder makes? how about over 150,000 K a year. 
when they work around 90 days of that year.

there is something seriously wrong with that, and when there own people are ok with that im flabbergasted.

for me i would rather eat a rat burger knowing its a rat burger, instead of someone telling me its prime beef, when in reality its just crap flavored to taste like prime beef.

flame away.

       

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2008, 06:33:25 PM »
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Hypocricy,. like irony always gives me a chuckle

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2008, 06:51:23 PM »
while I haven't been there that long........I've been here long enough to see that 33Vortex plays the contrary card quite well.

I have no doubt he loves pushing buttons here.......and I have no doubt that he does not even believe the poo he flings.... he's one of my favorite reads here...always worth a good chuckle.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2008, 06:57:22 PM »
Chuckle away in your bubble of denial. I care not for your opinion, it doesn't bother me. All I want is to make people think for themselves. What you think is as irrelevant to me as it is to the vast majority of people on this planet.

Flinging poo? Speak for yourself.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2008, 07:01:13 PM »
GUILTY!!



fixed it for you...


psps: "bubble of denial"   :snicker:  good stuff.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2008, 07:11:48 PM »
What really makes me chuckle is your attitude, and how you camped the bbs for my reply. I have no interest in dealing with people like you and will not comment your posts further as you are targeting me specifically, only looking to discredit me. I will not comment on your motives for this, as you should know them well enough yourself, but your real problem(s?) clearly is not me. If you fail to realize that, not my problem either.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2008, 07:14:44 PM »
you are targeting me specifically, only looking to discredit me.



you worry about board cred?  (funny stuff) kudos.
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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2008, 07:19:40 PM »

flame away.

       

I'm not going to do that, but here's one site i just found giving a little history on the idiots that came up with loose change.  

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html


I agree that our constitution especially the 2nd, was put in place in order for the people to stay individualistic and free thinking, and to have the ability to do away with a tyrinical govt. if need be.

I'm not a fan of the way our govt is or has been running things, but i also  don't believe that they murdered there own people in an elaborate cover up.  

You can if you want though..... It's still a free county.  

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2008, 07:25:27 PM »
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

5- Flamebaiting, trolling, or posting to incite or annoy is not allowed.

Funny that the most recent post before this thread, gave you this result. Coincidence? I think not, the way you are posting.

Clearly you are enjoying yourself on the bbs. I recite my previous post, it is not my problem.

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Re: Predict the next major conflict the U.S. will be in
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2008, 07:38:36 PM »
I'm not going to do that, but here's one site i just found giving a little history on the idiots that came up with loose change.  

http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html


I agree that our constitution especially the 2nd, was put in place in order for the people to stay individualistic and free thinking, and to have the ability to do away with a tyrinical govt. if need be.

I'm not a fan of the way our govt is or has been running things, but i also  don't believe that they murdered there own people in an elaborate cover up.  

You can if you want though..... It's still a free county.  



nobody wants to believe that there government would do such a thing, does not change the fact that they did.