What I'm saying is, I don't think I did any BnZming action in those two film I posted. I have a pretty good clue of what BnZ is, and I don't see those 2 film as bnz. Approaching at 10k, I see a lower contact of course I'm gonna dive down to engage and do a loop to bring speed down again under control rather then a flat turn. Simplify because at 400 knots flat turn will not turn around fast enough to get on my opponent. Especially vs a Hurricane, that has a much "tighter" turn radius then a 109G2.