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Offline Banshee7

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #105 on: June 25, 2008, 08:45:26 PM »
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

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Offline Widewing

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #106 on: June 25, 2008, 09:07:41 PM »
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

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You can certainly turn fight with a Typhoon... Up to a point.

P-47s and P-38s can begin deploying flaps at much higher speeds than the Typhoon (400 mph for P-47s, 250 mph for P-38s). They will easily get inside the Tiffie as they bleed off speed faster. On the other hand, you have to get the Typhoon down to 160 mph to begin getting flaps out. Even without an enemy leaning all over you, this is not easy to do in a Typhoon. You will be dead long before you can scrub off that much E. It's similar to the 190s in that regard. Flaps are used at the top of a vertical reverse, but virtually nowhere else. Tiffies shouldn't consider fighting a Co-E P-38 in the vertical. It's almost certain death. The P-47s are far more stable at the limit than the Tiffie, so you have to be careful with those as well.

You can maneuver with an enemy, but you have to recognize if and when the other guy is gaining the advantage. Then you unload, build E and reset the fight.

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #107 on: June 25, 2008, 09:12:45 PM »
yup.  And i believe you helped with the info for that site didn't you Widewing? 
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #108 on: June 25, 2008, 10:18:19 PM »
Why not TnB in a Typhie?  712 turn radius w/o flaps  548 turn radius w/flaps.  Thats tighter than all 3 38s, all the 47s, both 51s, and the C205  (www.gonzoville.com/charts  I got the Turn radii for all aircraft on here.  But just because it's in black and white doesn't mean it's gonna do that itself.  It is all up to the pilot

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #109 on: June 25, 2008, 10:22:01 PM »
yeah i have.  Thats why i turn right  :D
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #110 on: June 25, 2008, 10:51:06 PM »
yeah i have.  Thats why i turn right  :D

And thats why I'll try to make you turn left when I'm in my 51 :D
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #111 on: June 25, 2008, 11:59:04 PM »
Betty, I read enough to see the obvious contradiction. You probably fight your Tiffie as I do, staying fast, maintaining E. You keep the other guy off balance and maneuvering, bleed him down and kill him. When the opportunity presents itself, you zoom in and catch a sleeper unaware. That's the tactics that best suit the Tiffie. There's absolutely nothing wrong with flying it like that.

However, that is exactly how Yenny fought your Hurricane in the first film. Nothing wrong with that either...

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what u dont get is that was ALL he was doin over TT. nvm i'm done with this.
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #112 on: June 26, 2008, 12:56:47 AM »

what u dont get is that was ALL he was doin over TT. nvm i'm done with this.

Or maybe you don't get it and call everything BnZ because flying myself solo into a group of 4-5 baddies, and then fight til we die on the deck is what BnZ is!
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #113 on: June 26, 2008, 01:32:53 AM »
Or maybe you don't get it and call everything BnZ because flying myself solo into a group of 4-5 baddies, and then fight til we die on the deck is what BnZ is!

In your honest answer you do mean - Pick pick pick, get caught - killed re-up!

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #114 on: June 26, 2008, 01:39:11 AM »
In your honest answer you do mean - Pick pick pick, get caught - killed re-up!

Yea, I guess, it's kinda like what you do. I just go into a furball then just shoot stuff, and not care if that person is on another person since it's a furball. Except I don't work to regain my alt but sucker my enemy into flat turning vs my hurricane or G2. ^^ I've die to ur 109 while engaging another person plenty in TT.
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #115 on: June 26, 2008, 01:49:56 AM »
Yea, I guess, it's kinda like what you do. I just go into a furball then just shoot stuff, and not care if that person is on another person since it's a furball. Except I don't work to regain my alt but sucker my enemy into flat turning vs my hurricane or G2. ^^ I've die to ur 109 while engaging another person plenty in TT.

I never seen you fly a me109g2 so - please quite while you are ahead - I seen you fly a hurricane and ho everyone that will not turn n' burn with you. Yes you murdered my 109 while engaged to someone else - mainly because every time I tried to engaged you - your 4 x hispanos were aimed at my face!

modified: yes I have seen yenny fly a me-109g2 - however the only time he flies it; the reasonable answer why he gets shot down is "im sorry I was AFK" instead of the simple "Good kill"
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #116 on: June 26, 2008, 01:55:29 AM »
I never seen you fly a me109g2 so - please quite - I seen you fly a hurricane and ho everyone that will not turn n' burn with you. Yes you died to my 109 while engaged to someone else - mainly because every time I tried to engaged you - your 4 x hispanos were aimed at my face!
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modified: yes I have seen yenny fly a me-109g2 - however the only time he flies it; the reasonable answer why he gets shot down is "im sorry I was AFK" instead of the simple "Good kill"



Do you mean I go into a unavoidable HO and you fire and I rolled out of it, while I hold my fire. Then you hop on 200 and accusing me of hoing . Like one in this recent fault accusation you made shown in this film of one of the fight today.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html

Trust me I usually don't HO unless I'm in IL2 defending a base. HOing is like shooting myself in the foot, even in unavoidable HOing situation as I come down on top of a loop where I'm too low and slow to evade the HO pass, I won't fire. Though sometime I go down in flame and I wish I did fire because the other guy woulda gone down in flame too.

Actually I just don't give "good kill" to picker shot. I can't recall you shot me down in 1 vs 1 situation at TT, because it's usually I'm doing 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 and you come down blasting me when I'm too slow to break. I just call it bad SA on my part, but I did choose to run into the horde by myself most the time.
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #117 on: June 26, 2008, 01:59:47 AM »
Or do you mean I go into a unavoidable HO and you fire and I rolled out of it, while I hold my fire. Then you hop on 200 and accusing me of hoing . Like one in this recent fault accusation you made shown in this film of one of the fight today.

http://files.filefront.com/Hoingahf/;10798928;/fileinfo.html

Trust me I usually don't HO unless I'm in IL2 defending a base. HOing is like shooting myself in the foot, even in unavoidable HOing situation as I come down on top of a loop where I'm too low and slow to evade the HO pass.

Yenny - you do Ho anyone you get an opportunity too so lets not try to say you dont.

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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #118 on: June 26, 2008, 02:04:35 AM »
^^ plz man get a hold of yourself buddy. I usually won't last that long if I do =)
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Re: Films you wanted Betty
« Reply #119 on: June 26, 2008, 02:07:56 AM »
^^ plz man get a hold of yourself buddy. I usually won't last that long if I do =)

easy to say when your in your horde lol - I wish I could say my horde ever existed!