rotating planeset

[Skysix1]

I posted this in the general discussion too but figured it might be better placed here.

What if the planes were "rotated" or brought in a few at a time based on the "reset" cycle.  for instance:

The map just reset because the Knights just won again   and all the early war aircraft are the only now the only ones available. The aircraft in the air get there guns shut off automatically so that the pretty much have to land and grab a new plane and not beat up on the early war planes just coming out.

When say 2 (or whatever number) fields are taken by any side a new set planes is added to EVERY side. This way everyone still has the same planes/vehicles to choose from.

When say 2or 3 more are taken then some more planes are added to EVERY side again.

and so on and so on till the Knights win and reset it again the number of bases taken to increase the planes available could be tweeked or messed with each "war or battle"

and remove the perk points or use them for something other than keeping low perked people out of certian planes!

Maybe just make a certian number of a type of plane available at each airfield and when there gone you gotta wait till factory builds new ones or fly something else.  

Maybe even make it so you have to join a mission to get the "better" planes.

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Chuck Perry   
"Sky61"

[iculus]

This has been brought up before.  It doesn't seem to go down very well around here though.    I have mixed feelings about it.  On one hand, you do learn something about the evolution of aerial combat.  Unfortunately, the flip side is that you don't get to fly your favorite plane when you want too, and the planeset changes too rapidly to get a feel for a particular "planeset".  Scenarios are better places to have more historical match ups.  

<S>IC

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[This message has been edited by iculus (edited 03-13-2001).]

[Skysix1]

I see your point.  But right now all the planes are available all the time (except perk ones).  And rotating sets maybe throughout a certian amount of time instead of by map resets?  maybe every 24 hours a new set is introduced and the whole cycle maybe goes every 3-4 days that way people who only fly one certian plane will have access to it.  This could allow for post WW2 aircraft to be introduced by adding a day or to to the cycle in the futuree as well as pre-ww2 planes by adding a day or 2 in the begining. This way if really only want to fly the Arado and I log in on monday and see it is the early war planes then I know that wednesday I need to try and make and hour or so to fly.  Or if I want to fly the Skyraider I need to wait till friday.  

I dont think a full 3-4 week campaign is nessessary (maybe for the people who live here it is but not me).  

The only other idea I can think of to keep a good set of planes in the air is make another "Main Arena" that has a mid-late war planeset and the other main arena would only have early to mid-war planeset.  if it were split up good the 2 arenas would usually have about the same amount of people in them.  Then the only problem would be that instead of fighting in an arena of 200 there would only be 100.  
Oh yea... and ditch the perk system.  I still have a month to go before I can fly the Arado in the MA and noone will sell me there perk points!  

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Chuck Perry   
"Sky61"

[J_A_B]

I would like to point out that the "Early war arena" was attempted in AW several times.

It always failed.

Aside from the people in favor of it on the BB's, apparently there was very little real enthusiasm for such an arena.  It usually sat around empty.

However, since it didn't do any harm, I can't see a reason not to try it in AH.  We already have plenty of earlier planes to choose from:

Spit 5, Seafire, 109F, M.202, A6M5, TBM, JU-88, YAK-9T, F6F, TANK, M16, M3, PT.  

Perhaps include the B-17 if a better bomber is really needed, but if so also include 109G6 as an anti-bomber aircraft (30mm and 2 20mm guns nice against buffs).

NOTE:  F6F is not early-war, but its performance fits in well enough with those planes to warrant its inclusion as the only American fighter available.

No perk planes for this arena.  Make this arena an escape for those who dislike perk planes.


It might work, or it might not.  It's worth a try since no harm can come of it.

J_A_B

[iculus]

Don't forget that you can click on the banner above for the schedule of events that occur weekly.  Though I still can't wait for another 109E vs. Spit I fight.

<S>IC

[Naudet]

I don't like the idea of a rolling planeset. I want to be able to fly all planes at all times.

But what i would like to see would be seperated rooms for about 3 WW2 Peroids: 1941,1943 and 1945.

1945 would be like the main arena now, 1943 would only have planes developed till midwar, and 1941 would only have early war birds.

But 1st we need much more planes for it.
Especially Jap planes and GE buffs.

[Yello1]

I Like the rolling planeset idea immensely.  But it will only work if this is the only arena. Otherwise people will leave to go play in the Main arena and fly their Arados etc. What you could also do, as you add planes to the set as the game progresses, is have the best of the new planes become a perk plane, and any perk planes in the older set become nonperk.  This would go on so that eventually as the battle becomes older the only perk planes become the standard ones. You'd have to sample opinion to see how likes this of course and you would also have to add some more plane types so that each plane mix "level" has an adequate supply of F B and V to deal with, and also so that there are Ally and Axis of Each.

[Skysix1]

 

Originally posted by Yello1:
What you could also do, as you add planes to the set as the game progresses, is have the best of the new planes become a perk plane, and any perk planes in the older set become nonperk.  This would go on so that eventually as the battle becomes older the only perk planes become the standard ones. You'd have to sample opinion to see how likes this of course and you would also have to add some more plane types so that each plane mix "level" has an adequate supply of F B and V to deal with, and also so that there are Ally and Axis of Each.

I like this idea pretty well too  

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Chuck Perry   
"Sky61"

[Fidd]

In fairness, it was *never* tried properly in my view. 2 things caused it to fail, which were:

1. Failure to close the main arena during the event.

2. The consequential competition of the main arena.

People always go where the numbers are, myself included, and if I log on, what I don't want is to fly in an empty arena. Moreover, if the main arena is open, then typically the initial congregation is in the main arena. The players then have to decide to stay and perhaps remedy the bad field ownership situation, or capitalise on the good one! Either way, the tendency is to make the Axis/allies arena always appear empty. In my experience, when "war-weekends" were flown on AW, and in one case where Mage actually closed the main arena for a weekend, it was almost universally popular, and provided a welcome change of pace and interest.

In my view AW was very badly let down by some truly unimaginative implementation, not least by failing to recognise that it was necessary to close the main arena for such events.

It would be an error to judge the "popularity" of the Axis/allies arena in AW as a case study of why it should not be done in AH. It was only ever once sensibly done. I might add that the howls of "why can't I fly my... (insert plane)" came from the newer players, who by the end of the weekend were all flying planes they ordinarily would not have flown, and enjoyed greatly.

Seems to me that in time, when perhaps AH has some more interesting early war kit, that perhaps a 3-4 event could occur with the main arena shut, perhaps at the end of a tour..

Fidd
 

 

Originally posted by J_A_B:
I would like to point out that the "Early war arena" was attempted in AW several times.

It always failed.

Aside from the people in favor of it on the BB's, apparently there was very little real enthusiasm for such an arena.  It usually sat around empty.

However, since it didn't do any harm, I can't see a reason not to try it in AH.  We already have plenty of earlier planes to choose from:

Spit 5, Seafire, 109F, M.202, A6M5, TBM, JU-88, YAK-9T, F6F, TANK, M16, M3, PT.  

Perhaps include the B-17 if a better bomber is really needed, but if so also include 109G6 as an anti-bomber aircraft (30mm and 2 20mm guns nice against buffs).

NOTE:  F6F is not early-war, but its performance fits in well enough with those planes to warrant its inclusion as the only American fighter available.

No perk planes for this arena.  Make this arena an escape for those who dislike perk planes.


It might work, or it might not.  It's worth a try since no harm can come of it.

J_A_B