Author Topic: the new field ack (Read 721 times)

CavemanJ · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2001, 12:25:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Pepino:
I am happy with field ack like they are now. They are pretty daedly, but only if you do things wrong. And maybe it's only my perception, but It's totally different to have a high angle approach than a low one.

It's not trivial to deack a field with a fighter, but It can be done. And ack will kill you if you, for example, go in for the ack and get too close, or choose a low altitude 0 degrees offset approach. On the egress, if I am fast enough, and make loose scissors and rolls, I get no pings consistently.

As Eagler says, Naval is ahother story...

Cheers,

Pepe

I've tried every kind of egress you can think of. low g rolls, high g pulls into roll, medium g scissoring, even negative g rolls and breaks. Dead, every time.

Tac · « **Reply #16 on:** January 25, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »

Cave, I can de-ack a field with 2 buddies in tiffies or CHOGS. True, one ping and you die but I dont see a "golden bb" being laser guided like last version.

Ironically, I find that in a 45 degree dive into an ack, all you have to do is bob the plane up and down and the ack wont hit you. I can even fly over the ack and fly away from it doing the same thing and most of the times it wont hit me.

I'll film it for ya. Its hilarious.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** January 25, 2001, 01:55:00 PM »

If Cave believes the acks are doing something funny, I believe him..he's the king of field captures since beta...I too have noticed the 'turn, jinx and die' hardness of acks.

ljkdern · « **Reply #18 on:** January 25, 2001, 10:07:00 PM »

I've also tried every type of egress to no avail. In fact the best one seemed to be -fly straight, dont move until out of range. It seems to me that since 1.05, AH is much more sensative to the quality of your internet connection than it used to be.

ljkdern · « **Reply #19 on:** January 25, 2001, 10:26:00 PM »

One more thing....correct me if im wrong, but I belive the real way of killing ack was to come in low and fast- below the treeline, then pop over the trees- strafe - then get low again before they could line up on you. My grandpa was in the artillery and this is how he described the Germans doing it.

Also, now it seems that any kind of evasive maneuver against ack or flak actually increases your chance of getting hit.

Pepino · « **Reply #20 on:** January 26, 2001, 02:12:00 AM »

Cave,

Hmmm....I was deacking yesterday & wednesday nite with a La5. I found it pretty safe. IIRC, only a couple of ping doing this for 1 and a half hours, aprox. No damage. The only real threat are the 88's. Since they are not present in Small airfileds, that's my choice unless medium & large airfields have 88's destroyed.

I approach field with 10k. I make a 90 deg. dive from the center of the field to the outside, aiming to destroy the exerior acks first. I open up about 3k/2k, break about 1k. By the time I break, I am doing aprox 500kts. TAS, and I am in ack range for less than 5 seconds. When I am in ack range I feel safer not climbing but just extending. Rolls do the egress trick.

This way I avoid ack pings consistently.

Cheers,

Pepe

CavemanJ · « **Reply #21 on:** January 26, 2001, 06:18:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Tac:
Cave, I can de-ack a field with 2 buddies in tiffies or CHOGS. True, one ping and you die but I dont see a "golden bb" being laser guided like last version.

Ironically, I find that in a 45 degree dive into an ack, all you have to do is bob the plane up and down and the ack wont hit you. I can even fly over the ack and fly away from it doing the same thing and most of the times it wont hit me.

I'll film it for ya. Its hilarious.

Myself and 3 other experienced operators, in -1Cs, attacked a small field. This was one of the flights I was referring to in my original post. IIRC we got the VH and 4 of the guns, but that first pass ended with all of us dead. When I say experienced I'm talking guys who can lay an egg or rocket exactly where they want it 90% of the time and, in 1.04, could take down a small field with just 2 of them working on it.

Pepino - FYI only large fields and ports have 88mm guns. The largest caliber on small and medium fields is 40mm.

Dern I've tried an NOE ingress, popup 1/2-1mile from base (to get a proper strafing attitude), fast pass getting 1-3 guns and die on egrees, no matter what type of evasives are used. The only exceptions are if there are only 1-2 guns, like Vbases. One pass on a Vbase and both guns are down.

Rip thx for the vote of confidence

[This message has been edited by CavemanJ (edited 01-26-2001).]

Saintaw · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2001, 08:39:00 AM »

Well, I agree for the Ack lethality (1 ping Kills, usualy). but I still am capable of taking them out (Not alone, usualy we do this on a 2 man team.) If I go in "light" and aim for the acks, I "usualy" succeed and come out alive. However, whenever I dive with Eggs (on the FH for example) and that the ack is live, I usualy won't make it...

<S!>
Saw

StSanta · « **Reply #23 on:** January 26, 2001, 08:50:00 AM »

Ugh

ack was fine as it was could be dealt with if you used some skill, and you could survive a couple of hits (unless you fly a LW plane, then your engine is the first to go

)

Wonder why they changed it?

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Pepino · « **Reply #24 on:** January 26, 2001, 10:43:00 AM »

Cave,

I am not questioing your sills in any way. I think you are better pilot than me.

The only thing I do in other way in deacking is that I rarely try to take more than one ack per pass. When I do, I usually finish too low, and have a too long exposure to vertical fire (no deflection). I try to stay over 1k at any time.

Cheers,

Pepe
Just my 0.02.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** January 26, 2001, 02:03:00 PM »

I just dont get it guys, before 105 ack I wasnt ever able to dack a field all by myself, but on the first day of 105, bout 5 minutes after the MA opened SUPERFLY and I took off a CV to attack A40 in chogs. I had all the ack down at this filed in 1 minute- and have pretty much the same experiences every time I tried again. The only time it realy ever killed me during a dedicated deacking run was when I had 2 1000lb bombs slung under me and flew real slow in a wide circle around the field- and even then it took the stupid guns 5 or 10 seconds of me flying in this straight line to hit me. Im just really surprised by these ack horror stories. Really just think how often you actually even see ack being up in 105 as compared to before, its quite obvious that they are an easier thing to kill/down than before.

thanks GRUNHERZ

SpitLead · « **Reply #26 on:** January 26, 2001, 02:35:00 PM »

I too have been hit by the "uber" ack. I flew one stinkin' pass at a VH gun emplacement and took it out. I banked to avoid overflying the airbase and I got one hit (see the golden bullet theory above) in the engine and it knocked it out. I've also had the CV ack problem where I'm 50 miles away and the ack is friggin' following me. I'm diving, weaving, changing speeds and no use. It finally stopped when I couldn't see the CV anymore.

SOB · « **Reply #27 on:** January 26, 2001, 05:04:00 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ:
I just dont get it guys, before 105 ack I wasnt ever able to dack a field all by myself, but on the first day of 105, bout 5 minutes after the MA opened SUPERFLY and I took off a CV to attack A40 in chogs. I had all the ack down at this filed in 1 minute- and have pretty much the same experiences every time I tried again. The only time it realy ever killed me during a dedicated deacking run was when I had 2 1000lb bombs slung under me and flew real slow in a wide circle around the field- and even then it took the stupid guns 5 or 10 seconds of me flying in this straight line to hit me. Im just really surprised by these ack horror stories. Really just think how often you actually even see ack being up in 105 as compared to before, its quite obvious that they are an easier thing to kill/down than before.

thanks GRUNHERZ

Perhaps it's all about your technique. If you were good at killing acks pre-1.05, maybe ya just need to change your technique.

How do you go about killing acks Grun? Do you dive strait at 'em? Do you try to take out more than one at a time?

SOB

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** January 26, 2001, 05:13:00 PM »

Basically i fly right at them at high speed, sometimes jinking sideways a bit- at some long distance i open up with the hispanos and one hit kills the ack, I often try to kill more than 1 in a pass. I set up to shoot the next ack by banking/slipping in its direction and put some 20mm into it. I dont try to turn hard on the way out, but maintain speed, extend then reverse a bit higher for another fast pass. Im really amazed how bad the acks shoot, it seems to me that they cant hit you even if you fly right at them.

thanks GRUNHERZ

SKurj · « **Reply #29 on:** January 26, 2001, 05:51:00 PM »

Ack is client side is it not?
could a players PC affect the performance of the ack?

SKurj