Main Arena Language

[Masherbrum]

Thought my (in English) post was pretty simple.

Let's see...if you KNEW IN ADVANCE that some people showed up at that park on a pretty regular basis that behaved inappropriately, and it could happen pretty much at ANY time, you'd still take your kids to that park?

Why don't you just drop off your kids at Michael Jackson's house with a few bottles of wine?

Glad you weren't my parent.

ROX

Agree wholeheartedly.   

[TwinBoom]

Thought my (in English) post was pretty simple.

Let's see...if you KNEW IN ADVANCE that some people showed up at that park on a pretty regular basis that behaved inappropriately, and it could happen pretty much at ANY time, you'd still take your kids to that park?

Why don't you just drop off your kids at Michael Jackson's house with a few bottles of wine?

Glad you weren't my parent.

ROX

life aint fair or pretty get used to it move on protect ur family.....get a pair of these y should one have to police what ur kids hear when ur the parent
yes i would take my kid to the park but she knows right from wrong because i dont shelter her from the reality of life
there is good and bad everywhere u go in life take the proper steps to sheild ur own preferences simple
last time i heard 200 was a tunable channel

[Adonai]

Honestly its an open game, if your parents pay your account then they should be aware of the consequences involving language. I really don't care if someone slips up and cusses on vox range, but if your like drdeathx and rant on vox - then I do believe they need to be PNG'd.

[Ghastly]

Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).

More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."

We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too. 

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[Masherbrum]

Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).

More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."

We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too. 

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Exactly.

They'll often say "squelch them".   I've stated in other threads that it does not SOLVE the problem, instead you hide from it.   You'll never hear of or see me PM someone in anger.    Maybe an occasional "You're better than that", but absolutely no cussing.   I don't do it, won't do it and don't tolerate someone doing it.   It's juvenile and inappropriate for a game comprised mainly of "adults".   

[CAP1]

life aint fair or pretty get used to it move on protect ur family.....get a pair of these y should one have to police what ur kids hear when ur the parent
yes i would take my kid to the park but she knows right from wrong because i dont shelter her from the reality of life
there is good and bad everywhere u go in life take the proper steps to sheild ur own preferences simple
last time i heard 200 was a tunable channel
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part of the point is that it may be a kid playing too.

[CAP1]

Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).

More directly to the point of this thread - Serenity has asked (nicely) if folks would perhaps consider using a different word than they at times do, and a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."

We agree on at least one point - I'm glad I didn't raise some of you, too. 

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although it's been said many many times....here goea AGAIN.....
you get a warning. then you continue. you KNOW you shouldn't be yelling and cussing like that. then you get muted.

if YOU had the trash mouth, how exactly is it someone elses fault? these mods are volenteers. they have a job to do. if they make a mistake, so be it. but STILL keep in mind, that YOU and only YOU brough the mute on yourself. it's pretty simple.

ghastly..not aimed at you dude....i just happened to hit the "quoite thingy and didn't want to re-type.

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[NoBaddy]

a number of you have responded by saying: "Yuk yuk yuk, that word doesn't mean what it means when we use it to show off, and if you don't like it, don't play the game."

Sorry, I must have missed that one. What I did see was people stating that, contextually, the word can have more than one meaning.....which it can (and does). Perhaps I am wrong, I also don't remember the "don't like..don't play" thing either. I did do know that players do have options besides doing that, squelch being one of them. The squelch command is not a "solution", merely an option.

As for players acting in a responsible manner, I don't know how anyone could disagree. With the spoken word, I can at least see an "oops...slip of the tongue". Typing, however, requires conscious thought. There for, there is no excuse when it comes to typing. Those players should be reported and dealt with harshly.

What I did see was some folks suggesting that it should be understood that this sort of thing can happen and if you are easily offended or have young children playing, you might want to consider other options. This in no way excuses anyone, nor does it foist responsibility on to the recipient. What it does is realize that the system of enforcement is imperfect and if you have a problem with that, this might not be the place for you.

In the end, if you really want to make a difference......report foul language to HTC (Skuzzy is gonna hate me for this one ). I can tell you without fear of contradiction, HT is more easily offended (annoyed) with foul language in his game than most of you. I know he has at times wished for a more Draconian system. At the same time, he has other..."business concerns" that lead him to believe that the system in place is the best one.

[442w30]

Anyone who has been anywhere more than >6K from one European Iberian Peninsula player (who will remain ID-less) knows that anything can happen on text or voice at anytime.  I am even impresed he is able to use some banned words as nouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs all in the same sentance. 

That is the truth, his command of the murkier side of the english lanuage is impressive.
That guy hardly ever uses a "clean" word.  Personally I think he is very wrong to use that language, but at the same time it is hilarious and I usually can't stop laughing. True story- we are both in GVs and he sees a GV in the woods and says "S--- he is there." The GV moves 100m and he says "Oh S---". It fires a round that lands 300m away and he says, "SOB".  By now I am laughing so hard that I can't aim and this Iberian peninsula guy shoots at the GV maybe 6-7 times, misses everytime.  The target is clueless and couldn't hit an indestructible from D100.  He says,, "S---"  every time he fires AND everytime the nme fires back.  Finally I regain control of myself and blow up the GV.  As improper as Mr. Iberian is, he cracks me up.  He is even more humorous in a plane!

[texasmom]

I don't mind the foul language.  For most of the year, the bulk of the players are adults, and the language isn't even really that bad.  And if it ever gets bad... well, hey, there's always the .squelch option if it grates on you too badly.

During the summer months when all of the children are on is when the foul language really starts getting flung around!  Again, .squelch.  When school is in session again, language always improves around the MA.

I let my kids play on my CPID all the time.  I always sit for a while & scroll through the roster & do some squelching before I let them on though... 

[Ghastly]

NB, almost every word in the English language will have some sort of a twist in meaning if you go back a few hundred years. If a player calls someone "gay" you (didn't you use to mod AW?) know dang good and well they aren't saying that they believe that he's a generally happy person... despite the fact that that's actually the primary meaning of the word.


Any more than you or anyone else really believes that when people make the kinds of comments that started this thread, they mean it in any way but the contemporary meaning.  My main reason for jumping in when folks started to go there is that in my opinion pretending that folks mean otherwise than you know they do when they say it is that doing so is demeaning to those who find the word offensive - it's dismissive and belittling. 

And you are right - while no one who's responded has directly said "go fly a different sim" , those that responded to the analogy of the "biker's in the park" with "if you don't like it, don't go there" are essentially saying exactly that. 

To be fair, most folks in this thread have responded as you'd expect from group that's by and large adults from all walks of life, many of whom are parents if not grandparents themselves - it's only a vocal few whose responses I'd object to. 

The problem it's often the vocal few that create the perception that players will take away with them when they quit the game over something they feel uncomfortable about.

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[NoBaddy]

Oooooh Grue....

I knew I shouldn't have looked at this thread. I have to go to work and don't have the time to respond. I will when I return.

[SlapShot]

Here are Skuzzy's thoughts on the subject back in 2004 ... I'll bet he hasn't changed his thinking.

There is no reason or excuse for the use of derogatory, foul, or abusive language.  None.
It is disruptive and there is nothing positive it will accomplish.

Quite the opposite, all it generates is more anger, frustration, contempt, and causes others that were on the edge to go over.

There is no reason children should not be able to sit with thier parents and watch this game be played.  If you feel it is inappropriate, then I would say to you, you are inappropriate.  You cannot surmise a situation where using profanity or other abusive language is either appropriate or positive.

[Simaril]

That's nothing.  I worked as VP of Marketing for a company and one of the original investors and a member of the board of directors name was Dick Wiltz.  Nicest guy you'd ever meet but what the h@ll were his parents thinking?

Impressive, but I can top it. How about the Urologist named "Dr. Dick Tapper."


I am not kidding.


He works out of Bowling Green, Ohio -- I googled just to make sure that what somebody told me wasn't an urban myth. Which brings me to the question I always have when I see these names: Knowing what the word means now, why don't those foilks go by Rich or Rick? Oh, well.

[thndregg]

Off topic, but we had a dentist up in Palmer, Alaska. Dr. McCavit.