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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #120 on: June 30, 2008, 08:52:21 AM »
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #121 on: June 30, 2008, 04:13:06 PM »
In Townsville will had the doctors Killmore and Cutmore :lol
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #122 on: June 30, 2008, 05:42:30 PM »
NB, almost every word in the English language will have some sort of a twist in meaning if you go back a few hundred years. If a player calls someone "gay" you (didn't you use to mod AW?) know dang good and well they aren't saying that they believe that he's a generally happy person... despite the fact that that's actually the primary meaning of the word.


Any more than you or anyone else really believes that when people make the kinds of comments that started this thread, they mean it in any way but the contemporary meaning.  My main reason for jumping in when folks started to go there is that in my opinion pretending that folks mean otherwise than you know they do when they say it is that doing so is demeaning to those who find the word offensive - it's dismissive and belittling. 

And you are right - while no one who's responded has directly said "go fly a different sim" , those that responded to the analogy of the "biker's in the park" with "if you don't like it, don't go there" are essentially saying exactly that. 

To be fair, most folks in this thread have responded as you'd expect from group that's by and large adults from all walks of life, many of whom are parents if not grandparents themselves - it's only a vocal few whose responses I'd object to. 

The problem it's often the vocal few that create the perception that players will take away with them when they quit the game over something they feel uncomfortable about.

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First, the easy part. Yes, I was the "head" monitor on AOHell from the start and almost to the finish and at one point, the only monitor on Gamestorm.

Of course the meaning of words can (and does) change over time. Take the word in question, for example. The root word of "rape" is "rapine". It comes from the Latin, "rapina"....to take by force. The word, in and of itself, has no offensive meaning. In every context, it means to take by force. To focus on the most negative context, IMHO, is a mistake too often made in our PC world. In other words, to assume the context is sexual is.....well, making an assumption. AOHell was big on "assumptive monitoring". I was not (I know my "style" caused poor Moggy no end of head aches). It was always my contention that attempting to "action" every potential problem in the game was a mistake. Unlike the normal AOHell chat rooms, we had 6 or 8 chat rooms with 200+ in each. Yes...it was not an adventure...it was a freakin' job!! :D

What I am trying to say is that given the right "phrase-ology", anyone can take any innocuous phrase and give it any spin they want. Yeah, before I was a monitor, I was a pain in da butt guy figuring out ways to type insulting nonsense. There were plenty of folks that could do it in those days. It's a shame that more folks don't try to practice the lost art of nonsense insults or even better....creative insulting!!! Now losers just toss out an "FU" or some such and it degenerates from there.  :rolleyes:

Geez, there are things in this game right now that came from that era in Air Warrior. Things that are an integral part of the game...and they began as an insult aimed at one group of people (and it would drive the PC weenies nuts if they understood  :eek:).

I've seen folks complain about the lack of giving back to the community because "oldtimers" don't "set the example" for the newer members of the community. Well, insulting is one area where this community is sorely lacking. The last creative insult master I remember is Shane/Ooopsy. Now he knew how to insult AND entertain. In the end, if we really need something, it's for everyone that opens their virtual mouth on 200 to have access to a dictionary and a thesaurus.

...and the "biker/park" analogy was not saying "if you don't like it, don't go there", it was saying if you know there is a potential danger to your children...deal with it appropriately. My experiences have deprived my child of the online gaming experience (I knew there were bikers in the park). He is 16 now and a well balanced young man....I willing let him make his own choice. But, not when he was 8.
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #123 on: June 30, 2008, 06:30:45 PM »
I don't mind the foul language.  For most of the year, the bulk of the players are adults, and the language isn't even really that bad.  And if it ever gets bad... well, hey, there's always the .squelch option if it grates on you too badly.

During the summer months when all of the children are on is when the foul language really starts getting flung around!  Again, .squelch.  When school is in session again, language always improves around the MA.

I let my kids play on my CPID all the time.  I always sit for a while & scroll through the roster & do some squelching before I let them on though... 




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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #124 on: June 30, 2008, 07:02:46 PM »
Let's not sidestep the issue here - what I would or would not do as a parent in the hypothetical situation isn't the point - the point is that in this thread that some folks are arguing that it's not the responsibility of the person who blasts out a stream of obscenity to control their mouths, but rather the other player's responsibility to find some way to not hear it if they are going to find it offensive. Essentially, defending the biker's "right" to be a potty mouth in the park rather than behave like an adult (to continue the analogy).

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I don't believe that anyone is defending anyone's "right to be a potty mouth".  I hope anyone who can't play/behave by HTC rules gets punished/banned/booted.  There's no sanctuary for profanity here, or in most other online games.  We're all in agreement on that. Profanity is BAD.  If this were my game, I would feel the same way HTC does on the subject.  This is a game.  Some kids play.  I wouldn't want my kids talking like sailors in-game either.

Problem is...that it DOES happen.


All anyone, including me, is saying is that since you can't control the evironment of the game, you can at least control the environment around your kids.  


YES, it's totally wrong if (insert chronic in-game pottymouth ID HERE) gets on and uses bad language on VOX or text.  Hopefully they will get reported and get their just punishment, you CAN'T CONTROL THAT.  (And hopefully they will all go to H -E-double-hockey-sticks and roast on a spit for eternity.)


On the other hand...the vast majority of active AH players knows that at any given time on AH that there might be bad language on text or VOX...if you plop your vulnerable, sponge for a mind child down in front of that computer knowing that...then YOU are to blame because you CAN CONTROL THAT.


Simply said...if you knowingly put your kid in a situation where profanity can be seen/heard at any time....don't complain about it later, because you could have easily kept them away from the situation in the first place.  It's a totally preventable problem.


And yes..hopefully the potty mouths will all go to H -E-double-hockey-sticks and roast on a spit for eternity.


(Please don't get me wrong, ghastly, I like you, I think you are good people.  I think if we were in person, sitting around having a cup of coffee talking instead of posting on a forum we'd understand each other easier. In the end, I think we're agreeing here, just hitting BBS potholes on the way to the same conclusion.)


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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #125 on: June 30, 2008, 08:14:28 PM »
That is the truth, his command of the murkier side of the english lanuage is impressive.
That guy hardly ever uses a "clean" word.  Personally I think he is very wrong to use that language, but at the same time it is hilarious and I usually can't stop laughing. True story- we are both in GVs and he sees a GV in the woods and says "S--- he is there." The GV moves 100m and he says "Oh S---". It fires a round that lands 300m away and he says, "SOB".  By now I am laughing so hard that I can't aim and this Iberian peninsula guy shoots at the GV maybe 6-7 times, misses everytime.  The target is clueless and couldn't hit an indestructible from D100.  He says,, "S---"  every time he fires AND everytime the nme fires back.  Finally I regain control of myself and blow up the GV.  As improper as Mr. Iberian is, he cracks me up.  He is even more humorous in a plane!


I do a decent "impression" of this guy, but I do a clean version just to crack up my squaddies.

If you can do an impression of Borat, only slurring your words you have got the impression DOWN.

It's still amazing to me how a English as a second language person is able to manipulate so many "heavy seven" curse words into one cohesive sentance.  To use even the same word in so many different language sintax modes is astonishing. 

Even in bad traffic, I cannot match his expertice.




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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #126 on: June 30, 2008, 08:41:05 PM »
9 Full pages, discussing vulgarity and obscenity, and not a single PNG or Edit by Skuzzy.  Language has been tempered, discussion has been kept to the merits of the subject and no personal attacks and directed vulgar insults have occurred.

There's a lesson buried in here, it's probably deep and hard to discover, except for the whole staring you right in the face thing.

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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2008, 12:47:07 AM »
9 Full pages, discussing vulgarity and obscenity, and not a single PNG or Edit by Skuzzy.  Language has been tempered, discussion has been kept to the merits of the subject and no personal attacks and directed vulgar insults have occurred.

There's a lesson buried in here, it's probably deep and hard to discover, except for the whole staring you right in the face thing.

Don't worry, we are saving the vulgarity, the obscenity, and the eventual PNG for our online time.  :aok
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2008, 12:53:47 AM »
They get away with saying rape??! I got muted for 60 minutes today for saying crap!!!  :furious Thats a load of bull Sh.. i mean cra... oh, wait cant say that either... hmmm thats a load of bull feaces!
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2008, 02:52:37 AM »
Cannot recall ever being muted for saying crap... :noid
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #130 on: July 01, 2008, 06:53:07 AM »
I got 10 minutes for typing sweetheart the other night.  Actually it was a warning.

I think the mute came when the text gestapo didn't understand and I explained "Hey Mod, thats word is French, it means shower.  Ask any French person"  That is when I got muted.  Must've been the Sunday evening morality  police. 

Maybe they didn't understand the outraaaageous aaccent.    (silly English Kk-nigits)
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #131 on: July 01, 2008, 07:17:40 AM »
I got 10 minutes for typing sweetheart the other night.  Actually it was a warning.

I think the mute came when the text gestapo didn't understand and I explained "Hey Mod, thats word is French, it means shower.  Ask any French person"  That is when I got muted.  Must've been the Sunday evening morality  police. 

Maybe they didn't understand the outraaaageous aaccent.    (silly English Kk-nigits)


It also means shower in German.

I hope no German player types that he has to go afk for a shower...he'll get muted.

That seems a bit silly, now doesn't it.




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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #132 on: July 01, 2008, 07:20:25 AM »
Different spelling.

Deutsche for shower = Dusche. 

Maybe I'll use that instead as the mods seem to be biased against French.
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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #133 on: July 01, 2008, 07:24:17 AM »
Different spelling.

Deutsche for shower = Dusche. 

Maybe I'll use that instead as the mods seem to be biased against French.


Yikes...sorry.  Pronounced the same yet spelled different.  It HAS been 30 years since German class.




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Re: Main Arena Language
« Reply #134 on: July 01, 2008, 07:29:14 AM »
i can't believe this has gone 9 pages running round n round repeating the ver same things over and over, and worse...on something that we'd all think should be common sense.
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