For you law enforcement supporters

[wrongwayric]

This is pretty sad at it's best point.

http://streator.mediacomtoday.com/community/news/story/index.php?source=National&id=D91HKLO00&pd=20080626

10.50 an hour to risk, and lose your life?! That's pathetic. Hope that bill gets passed and maybe these men and women protecting us will get the pay they deserve.

[lazs2]

Here where I live they make about 100,000 or more a year including bennies.   They also get 3% @ 50 per year retirement meaning...  if they work 30 years.. say 20 to age 50.. they will retire at age 50 with a package worth about 90 thousand dollars a year for the rest of their life.

As far as danger..  cops are ranked about number 50 or so..  look up at the roof of your home and realize some roofer risked his life in some of the wost conditions imaginable to put it on your house and every building you enter.. he often does it for 10 bucks an hour in the same town the cop makes 100k and he has no retirement or bennies for the most part.. his body is shot by age 40 if he hasn't been killed by a fall or the heat.

lazs

[ZetaNine]

Here where I live they make about 100,000 or more a year including bennies.   They also get 3% @ 50 per year retirement meaning...  if they work 30 years.. say 20 to age 50.. they will retire at age 50 with a package worth about 90 thousand dollars a year for the rest of their life.

As far as danger..  cops are ranked about number 50 or so..  look up at the roof of your home and realize some roofer risked his life in some of the wost conditions imaginable to put it on your house and every building you enter.. he often does it for 10 bucks an hour in the same town the cop makes 100k and he has no retirement or bennies for the most part.. his body is shot by age 40 if he hasn't been killed by a fall or the heat.

lazs

the difference being roofers and other high risk employees risk their life on behalf of themselves.  cops, firemen, and ems risk it for us.

every cop and teacher in the usa should start at 100K per year.

[CAP1]

Here where I live they make about 100,000 or more a year including bennies.   They also get 3% @ 50 per year retirement meaning...  if they work 30 years.. say 20 to age 50.. they will retire at age 50 with a package worth about 90 thousand dollars a year for the rest of their life.

As far as danger..  cops are ranked about number 50 or so..  look up at the roof of your home and realize some roofer risked his life in some of the wost conditions imaginable to put it on your house and every building you enter.. he often does it for 10 bucks an hour in the same town the cop makes 100k and he has no retirement or bennies for the most part.. his body is shot by age 40 if he hasn't been killed by a fall or the heat.

lazs

does someone try to shoot him in the face because he's a roofer? does he constantly have to wonder what next? roofing, although somewhat a skilled job, isn't nearly as dangerous as being a cop in my opinion.
nw, that being said, you will NEVER get me up on the roof of a building

[lazs2]

Ah.. so the nobility is the thing.   Tell the cops here that they need to take a cut in pay to save their city from going bankrupt and see what the response is.   70-80% of all of a cities budget goes to support fire and police.

Teachers are the highest paid part time workers we have ever seen and whine about more money more than any other profession other than some union members.

I don't know how putting a good roof on a home is less noble than sitting in the shade in a squad car with radar gun.

You could do without police for a week.. you could do without firemen for maybe a year..  If the water or wastewater people closed one valve... people.... lots of people would start to die horrible deaths.. the dead would be the lucky ones..  and.. it is real physical danger and work.   

If your roof collapsed or just leaked you would be in far more distress than if one house a year burned down.

lazs

[lazs2]

cap... you are about 50 times more likely to die on the job being a roofer than a cop.   the largest percentage of cops go 30 years without ever even pulling out their weapon.   It is not a particularly dangerous job.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/

lazs

[ZetaNine]

 It is not a particularly dangerous job.

your missing two very key realities...

1. Public Service

2. "Danger" is relative to where they serve.


In tampa bay it is relatively safe.......in south florida.....kids shoot cops in the face weekly.

[lazs2]

No.. with all due respect.. you are missing the point..

The roofer and wastewater worker are doing a public service and risking their lives and their health every day.. they just don't whine about it as much.

lazs

[ZetaNine]

The roofer and wastewater worker are doing a public service and risking their lives and their health every day..
lazs

:snicker:

I don't even think you buy that load of crap.

[lazs2]

you need to follow the link..   In most towns they can't even recall the last time a fireman or cop was killed..

The biggest cause of injury for cops here is that they are out of shape and they get back injuries from their utility belts.  "getting out of the car" is the most often listed cause of police injury.

You really need to get up on a roof sometime in the heat of the summer and do a days work and then get back to me.

lazs

[CAP1]

cap... you are about 50 times more likely to die on the job being a roofer than a cop.   the largest percentage of cops go 30 years without ever even pulling out their weapon.   It is not a particularly dangerous job.

http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/

lazs

come to south phill or camden, or newark, or trenton, and tell those cops. there's been i think 3 or 4 cops killed just this year in philly. i now there are bad cops, and i know there are lazy cops, but i also know quite a few, and the majority seem to have their jobs to try to help the community. i know the ex-chief of police in stratford nj. when i first met him he was a partolman only making 28k a year. his job cost him his marraige. some of the things he had to deal with in strastford, i couldn't believe. i thought stratford was a peaceful little quiet town till i got the inside scoop. the majority of cops are underpaid. period. one of my squadmates is a north jersey cop. look him up in the arenas.

[CAP1]

You could do without police for a week.. you could do without firemen for maybe a year.

lazs

i beg to dffer. imagine miami without police? or tampa? or philly or camden?

blood in the streets..worse than now

[ZetaNine]

you need to follow the link..   In most towns they can't even recall the last time a fireman or cop was killed..

The biggest cause of injury for cops here is that they are out of shape and they get back injuries from their utility belts.  "getting out of the car" is the most often listed cause of police injury.

You really need to get up on a roof sometime in the heat of the summer and do a days work and then get back to me.

lazs

I did it in my late teens ......here in florida...I was a helper who unloaded the shingles/tiles from the conveyor onto the roof...and then ran the magnet to pick up all the nails in the grass.  hated it.......but working with fiberglass at another job was far more taxing...and dangerous.  I actually used to have to bathe in acetone before I went home.

[ZetaNine]

anywho laz......... the national law enforcement officers memorial fund has been my charity of choice since the early 90's........so I may just be biased.... this is something I feel deeply about...and I don't see anyone changing my opinion.

get yourself to a bigger city...and ride with a cop for a day...or night.  they have programs that allow this. try miami, NY, philly, atlanta, la, boston, DC........ just one ride with them for an 8 hour shift....and I bet you change your mind.

[Mojava]

the difference being roofers and other high risk employees risk their life on behalf of themselves.  cops, firemen, and ems risk it for us.

every cop and teacher in the usa should start at 100K per year.

  I agree with you Zeta. Policemen and Firemen have one of the highest job related injury rates of any profession. http://www.malehealth.co.uk/userpage1.cfm?item_id=2540. There job is definitely dangerous, they are just better prepared.