San Francisco plans to honor George W Bush

[mg1942]

And to think at one time I considered myself a liberal Democrat.....

 

[Druss]

LOL, you deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things because of what you imagine a place to be like?  You lose.

Does that mean, SOB , that you will "deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things" by not droppimg by and muck diving into my septic tank? Because you imagine what it must be like?


S.F. is the anus of the western world.

[ink]

you know i have to add my $.02

personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not.  this country is run by and for money, im sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.


and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, 

[Sandman]

and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, 

I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com

[ink]

I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com

i checked out that site, from what i saw, i would put defense and protection in the same category, and since defense is already above welfare by some 300 billion,add the 300 more billion from "protection" we are over twice the amount spent on welfare!
so it seems he is wrong.

[Sandman]

i checked out that site, from what i saw, i would put defense and protection in the same category, and since defense is already above welfare by some 300 billion,add the 300 more billion from "protection" we are over twice the amount spent on welfare!
so it seems he is wrong.

That site shows all of DoD. There is far more to the Dept. of Defense than the troops on the field. There is all of the admin at home, there are the acquisition programs, test facilities, research, etc.

[SOB]

Does that mean, SOB , that you will "deprive yourself of new experiences and seeing new things" by not droppimg by and muck diving into my septic tank? Because you imagine what it must be like?


S.F. is the anus of the western world.

That's quite an analogy you're trying to make work there.  Keep trying.

[DREDIOCK]

I don't and will never respect him, I think he's a coward.

And if thats how you feel. Fine.
But respect is still due to the office he holds.

Bush isnt a favorite of mine either.
I voted for him but I didnt then nor do I now particularly like him.

But not all that is wrong is Bush either.

How many good initiatives never made it off the ground because the other side didnt want to give him a political victory.

and thats what our government has devolved into. Two groups not interested in the good of the country. But only in the good of the party.

Dont know if anyone else notice it and I wish I could find a news clip of it.
But prior to conceeding the race to Obama
I heard Hillary say it best out of her own mouth.
and I quote EXACTLY

"Ive always considered myself a Democrat first. And an American second."

I know thats what she said because I watched the same damn channel (CNN) for the rest of the night to wait for the rebroadcast of it just to make sure I heard it correctly.

But that quote speaks volumes
Politicians are party members first and Americans second.

Bush gets most fo the blame. But not everything is the fault of Bush.
ALOT has to do with members of the government being party members first and Americans second.
Buth sides do it.

Seems to me it should be the other way around

[DREDIOCK]

you know i have to add my $.02

personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not.  this country is run by and for money, I'm sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.


and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, 

I didn't believe it either, but he might be right.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com

Throughout history. Show me a time when money wasn't more important then human life.
People and governments have always been willing to trade human life for money.
Even in the last few hundred years had everything from the slave trade. to wars being fought over trade routes.
All with the blessing of Countries governments and their people.

Keep watching gas prices go ever hire and you will watch the argument of "No blood for oil." Screams all but disappear.
A some point it wont seem like such a bad idea.

Sandman. He's not right.
Its how those numbers are presented that makes him look right

They break up Welfare and Healthcare.
If you've spent any time looking at welfare recipients. Its obvious they also don't pay for their own healthcare
While healthcaremay not not technically part or welfare. It certainly is a part of it in essence.

So. Lets look as these numbers a little more honestly shall we

Using the federal numbers alone

Health Care   680.8
Welfare        271.4
=                951.48


Vs.

Defense      729.7  
(and for chuckles we'll also toss in)
Protection    46.2

=                   775.9


Now.

you were saying?

[angelsandair]

 

[rpm]

Naming the sewage plant after Dubya seems appropriate considering what he has accomplished.
More appropriate than the "think tank" they are naming after him at SMU.

[ink]

Throughout history. Show me a time when money wasn't more important then human life.
People and governments have always been willing to trade human life for money.
Even in the last few hundred years had everything from the slave trade. to wars being fought over trade routes.
All with the blessing of Countries governments and their people.

Keep watching gas prices go ever hire and you will watch the argument of "No blood for oil." Screams all but disappear.
A some point it wont seem like such a bad idea.

Sandman. He's not right.
Its how those numbers are presented that makes him look right

They break up Welfare and Healthcare.
If you've spent any time looking at welfare recipients. Its obvious they also don't pay for their own healthcare
While healthcaremay not not technically part or welfare. It certainly is a part of it in essence.

So. Lets look as these numbers a little more honestly shall we

Using the federal numbers alone

Health Care   680.8
Welfare        271.4
=                951.48


Vs.

Defense      729.7  
(and for chuckles we'll also toss in)
Protection    46.2

=                   775.9


Now.

you were saying?

sorry but health care should not be included in welfare

[straffo]

I did have an excellent reply to this post.  It would have been truthful and accurate.  It might even have opened the eyes of the brainwashed...

But someone would go ballin' red to the mods and complain and I'd get PNG'ed again.

Guys like this get carte blanche---we get muzzled and banned.




ROX

Cry me a river , each of your post in the bbs show you need to learn critical thinking.

<edit>
And some show you don't even know what you are speaking about :

Arkansas & Missouri provided seeds & plants to France in the 1800's after France's crop had huge failures.

The crop had no failure just a new predator : Phylloxera
Predator coming from America.

Many French wines have their roots/seeds originate in Arkansas & Missouri.  Most people don't even know.

Right,but with grafting an average wine root coming from Arkansas produce real wine.

Without ... well it just Arkansas wine

[Shuckins]

I know what  you mean Straffo.  There are a lot of people on these boards who can't seem to carry on a debate without their "google" crutch. 

It's a shame really.

[lasersailor184]

you know i have to add my $.02

personally i don't know the man, so i cant say one way or the other what kind of person he is, i do know that the presidency of this country lost respect a long time ago, you have to earn respect not just get it because of some "office" president or not.  this country is run by and for money, im sorry but when money is more important than human life, thats an issue, actually im not sorry, what saddens me is the fact that so many people agree with this concept, i just cant understand it.


and for the one that said we spend more on welfare than the war, 

You're right.  You'll never understand why, but you are right.