paper buf won't go away

[covega]

Ya know, enough is enough.  The B-17 is paper and a lot of buf guys are really getting fed up with being blown to bits with one or two shots.  We see lots of hits on the enemy fighter (yeh, we're doing the job of 8 guys at once) but little damage and then, wham!  one or two hits from the fighter and the buf blows up.  Something wrong with that picture.
Of course that is if the wings don't pull off in the meantime because they do, with regularity, with hardly any G force or overspeed.  
Something is also wrong when one fighter can shoot down 4 or 5 bufs, in a group, on one sortie.
If plans are to keep the game designed to simply use the buf as a target drone for the fighters, then let's admit it and the buf guys can make a decision about what to do next.  

[funked]

I've never killed a BUFF with 1 or 2 shots.  I've never heard anybody say they killed a BUFF with 1 or 2 shots.

[Citabria]

thats bogus and you know it.

I've landed so many damaged buffs its sick from being hit by more than a few rounds.

as for attacking buffs, even w an f4u1c it takes a solid stream of hits to knock out somthing vital.

I don't fear fighters that crawl up dead 6 or even go head on.
I fear the ones that never even give you a glimpse of a gun solusion and remove a vital component with a deadly accurate firing solution.
buffs were paper last version, this version they are tough. perfectly balanced to allow damaged aircraft to survive and return home and kill fighters in the process.

from flying against and fighting in bombers I feel that the balance is excellent.


I dont want some unrealistically armoured flying panzer ackwagon cruising around with impunity with the only a/c able to destroy it are 190 and f4u1c  

[bloom25]

I don't think there is a problem with the bombers anymore.  The guns are plenty leathal and I rarely get killed in bombers unless attacked by a F4u-1c or more than 1 fighter at a time.



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[Fishu]

If pilots knows his job and has big bellybutton cannons plus this rangefinder borrowed from aliens... it makes quite bad job.
But you buffers must remember one thing, your guns are also more lethal than real ones. (lone buffs were really just a breakfast...)

[paquete]

IMO, buffs are really well modelled. No experience with real ones, but they are only easy kills if correctly approached, and solidly shot.

Cheers.

Pepino

[StSanta]

I've come from approaches from hi 2 o c and lit a 17 up like a xmas tree, first concentrating on nose and then walking it down to the tail and the bugger still stays up. And that with 2*13 +2*20 +2*30mm. I say they're pretty resilient.



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StSanta
II/JG2

[Kirin]

once killed (it went in a great fireball) a B-17 with 10 shells --- 30mm that is!

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~Kirin~

JG2 "Richthofen"

"Ich bin immer nur die Messerschmitt 109 geflogen, aller Varianten angefangen von der G-6 bis hin zur K-14. Die Gustav war weitaus kraftvoller als die Friedrich, und hinzu kam die weitaus schwerere Bewaffnung. Die G-10 zum Beispiel hatte eine 30 mm Kanone mit absolut zerstörerirscher Wirkung. Sie war auch die schnellste aller G-Serien, mit einer exzellenten Steigrate, und war in sämtlichen Flugbereichen ausgezeichnet zu fliegen. Ich fühlte mich in meiner 'Beule' immer zuhause und Herr über alle Situationen."
Hauptmann Erich Hartmann, Gruppenkommandeur, I./JG 52, Russische Front, 1945

[Vermillion]

You have to be kidding... errr you are kidding aren't you??

As it is right now, bombers are already flying tanks.

I don't know about other players, but if I'm flying a P-51 (which I usually do) I don't even *think* about attacking bombers, because I will definitely die before they do.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[covega]

Are you people for real?

[Pongo]

covega.
Have you tried to take one down?
Buffs are damn tough. And their guns are deadly. Sometimes they go down quickly but that is usually a one set of eyes problem.
Personly I have lots of missions were I killed or discouraged enemy interceptors and reterned to base damamged. The only surefire exception is when I give up the freedom to manuver. If I am in formation my chances go way down becasuse my gunner frame rates plummet and I cant turn away from a con to force him to chase me..
But its dam fun to fly formation ....


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"Stupids are like flies. they are everywere, but are easy to kill"
RAM

[Westy]

 I've been taking up FB-26's from bases we've had our fighter hangars blown out at. I take alot of damage. I also inflict alot. ALOT. LAst night at A2 I took out an F4U and a P-38 while losing an engine, stabilizer and aileron. And I landed it to boot. No weakness in dogfighting with a B26 and I've not noticed ANY paper B-17's. The only ones that die easy are those on the final run or asleep behind the stick.
 Covega if you saunter on in and lay down an accusatory and whiney post like you did you will either get folks backing you up with like posts offering like observations or posts from  others offering thier opinion on what THEY have seen and experience. And so far they're all seeing somehting you are not.
 So far I'd say it looks like you were on crack when you wrote that post.

  -Westy

[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 06-05-2000).]

[Minotaur]

 

Originally posted by covega:
Are you people for real?

LOL  

The last time I checked I was for real.  

Keep in mind that there are ALOT of very good sim pilots here.  They know how to do it and do it very well they do.  

Also keep in mind that although you hear only one or two pings, you are probably getting pasted.  The game does not convert every hit your aircraft takes into a ping sound that you can hear.

I am not sure how long you have played AH, but the toughness of BUFF's is WAY up from what it used to be.  This is the piont of reference for many of the above players and the reason for the response you have gotten.

Good Luck!  

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

[funked]

The only person who can accurately judge how man hits it takes is the guy doing the shooting.

[Beefcake]

Buffs are good. Last tour my K/D was amazing in buffs. 111 kills to only 50 deaths. They are not paper now, in beta they where paper, here they are cardboard, which is better than paper.