spies :)

[Hazed]

just had an idea to spice up c47 flying..how about spies flown in by c47s to the enemy HQ
 which then allows the pilot of the c47 to read enemy messages for say 15 minutes .perhaps the c47 would have to hide within a certain distance from hq in order to continue to relay messages.....
the c47 is a great idea i think and could b used for much more...for instance how about if pilots downed in enemy territory who would usually be captured could escape if a c47 could pick up pilots ,maybe with .join command.  
of course these are just thoughts and i wouldnt pretend to know the gamplay issues/programming problems involved in implementing these sorts of things i just thought id throw them in to see what you all thought  
Hazed

[Pongo]

All very cool...
Arm the paras too...


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"Stupids are like flies. they are everywere, but are easy to kill"
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[eye]

You already have spies now. On every side are those who pay for 2 or 3 accounts for this pleasure. The realy sad ones kill account number 2or 3 for points/k/d/k/mission or shooting accuracy. I do like your concept. Only one problem you are going to have more fights on ch 1 when people see whats being said about them on the other side.  

[Westy]

 Oh jeese. Here we go again with this baloney about folks who pay $60 to $90 US a month for the extra two or three acounts to use for spying or killing themselves for points.

 Name them EYE. Heck , just name ONE so we can  put this to sleep huh?

  -Westy

[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 06-06-2000).]

[Hazed]

please dont turn this into cheat debate...
in a perfect world there would be no cheats and hey! i live in a perfect world  
just your thoughts on these ideas please..

p.s. how about gliders towed by b26s? troops in the gliders bombs for ack in b26. wouldnt that make a great base grabbin team  

[eye]

Westy doing his ostrich imitation again. Pull that head out of the sand bud. Btw im i favor if hazed idea sounds fun.

[bloom25]

Spies would be a fun idea.  The only problem is that radio text wouldn't be a good idea since sometimes people say things about other people that would start big arguments if the other guy saw it. (Wow, that's a sentence.   )  Perhaps we could just get a boost to the radar range for enemy aircraft dots for 30 minutes or so.

This would be a fun new strat addition IMO.



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[bloom25]

A little off-topic maybe but it just occured to me that what EYE said about 2 or 3 account players killing themselves would be impossible.  How could they do it?

The ONLY way it could be done is if a person had 2 accounts & 2 computers each with their own internet connection.  You would then have to spawn one of your aircraft on one computer, then somehow manage to kill your flying drone on the other computer before someone else did.  I highly doubt ANYONE would waste their time doing this as it would be a huge waste of time and money.

Now I doubt EYE would mention this if he didn't have some evidence that it has happened.  Eye, can you please provide us with some evidence or at least an explaination of how someone could do this???



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[eye]

You said how its done yourself. I also think the cheap way might be to use  the 2 free weeks on a seperate card number. You dont need it every run to do the damage 2 weeks a month would be enough. There are guys so does not mean another does not find it hard core that do this dont fool yourself. Just because you and i find this exspensive cheap. 2 accounts 2 connects and 2 computers for alot would be pretty easy to set up. As far as proof you find it im too buzy improveing my game. Hint look at the guys that get sky high missions 10+ kills and the one with sky high kills /per hour.

[eye]

This practice was wide spread in aw3. I fought a guy named badz who flew like this every day. He would tell you he flew 3 accounts often he would use 1 to trap you for a kill with another. 10 bucks a month is much cheaper to do that with i agree. He was a trainer for years got 1 of his free payed for the others. Trust me this happens here too. Its a shame.

[bloom25]

I did a little research on the scores page ... and I believe you. I was able to find a couple guys last tour that had only flown around 20 sorties, but somehow managed 20+ kills per death and 2.5+ kills per sortie.  Upon further research into one in particular I found that all of his kills were in the F4u-1c.  When I got looking at what planes he had killed it was almost too funny.  He had never shot down, nor had been shot down by a bishop p51.  A knight p51 and a knight spit were the only planes to ever shoot him down in a fighter.  He flew the 1c, but had never killed a tank.  He had also never been killed or had killed any of the top players that I could think of.  This guy flew rook, so I checked to see if he had been killed by Hangtime, Torque, Wardog, Hristo, eskimo, ypsilon, myself, etc...  He hadn't, so I was really curious then.  He had only been killed once in the 1c and once in a bomber.  To top it all off, I had never heard of the guy, and I know almost all of the veteran players who play AH. My conclusion is that you are right and there are a few players who think it's fun to kill themselves over and over to see themselves on the score page. I won't name the guy that I looked up since he didn't do anything illegal, but it isn't too hard to figure out who I'm talking about.  (About 3 searches on the score pages for tour 4 will make it obvious who I'm talking about.)  I guess if this makes the game fun for him and doesn't hurt the rest of us, go right ahead then.

It looks like what he did is to set up a vulch at a base and keep spawning one type of plane over and over.  He also managed to down a couple other guys who just happened to up there.  (That's probably how he got killed himself.)

I would never have believed it had I not proved it to myself...    

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[This message has been edited by bloom25 (edited 06-08-2000).]

[mx22]

There are some really good pilots who live in different time zones and can't be online every time you are there.
As a matter of fact, I'm flying in the same time zone as most of the guys you mentioned, but, since late beta, I can only recall 2 fights against Hangtime, once I seen Hristo and maybe I have seen Wardog up. Others, including you, I might have heard of, but have never seen either of you up.
Main arena, no matter how small it looks, is huge. That guy might be flying to fields that are not most active and that's how he picks up his kills.
The only time you'll know for sure that someone is indeed using multiple accounts, is when they will tell it to you themselves. Until then, it's nothing more then your assumption.

mx22

[Westy]

 At "$10/mo All you can dweeb" in AW3 it was done. And who cares, really?
 I'm asking you to back up accusations that it is done here EYE. Simple request.

-Westy

 

[bloom25]

Guys I agree that this sounds silly, but trust me on this, there is at least one person that I checked the score pages on that had some really odd stats.

While I agree that different time zones may account for his stats, there is at least a possiblity that EYE is right.  I don't want to post the name of the person that I looked up since he isn't doing anything wrong.  (Who knows, I may be wrong myself.   )

All I know is that I wouldn't have believed it had I not seen it myself...  Lets put it this way, his stats were SO far out that I almost fell off my chair laughing.

 

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[Fatty]

I don't see it Bloom.  I looked, I know who you're talking about, but running down the top pilots I did find several that had encountered him.  You're looking at a TOTAL of 35 kills, counting his deaths (if they were even at the hands of other players) that's 37 total conflicts.

You're going to have a hard time finding anyone he fought with picking at random, the fact I found two was enough for me to quit looking.

20+k/d ratio?  Not unheard of.  Some people get some alt before they'll engage, some get a lot of alt before they engage, and some may take off from the rear-most base and only engage when they have definate advantage.  I have no patience for this, but I don't see it any different than a 109 circling forever waiting to engage, just taken a step farther.

Finally, if this person was indeed going to these great lengths to cheat, he certainly didn't take advantage of it very much.  I can't prove he did not, but it could certainly (and imo more likely) be simply a case of someone who plays off hours, and engages extremely carefully.