Author Topic: MG151/20 vs Hispano II/V  (Read 1075 times)

Offline Hristo

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MG151/20 vs Hispano II/V
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2000, 10:17:00 AM »
But it would be nice to see it in action in the Arena.

Me 410 and He 219 will be outclassed by most single engined fighters in AH.

Still, we can test the theory if guns are more important than plane performance in AH  

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2000, 10:25:00 AM »
Assuming that the both the Mk II and MG151 are firing the same ammo mix, and have approximately the same explosive to projectile weight ratio, and a one second burst (or any total time of fire).

The MG151 has approximately 78% of the delivered energy (ie Lethality) of the Hispano MkII.

The Hispano MkV has about 96% of the lethality of the MkII.

If your really interested, I can get into the equations and numbers.

Which of the planes in Aces High even have the Hispano MKV ?

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Offline Minotaur

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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2000, 12:30:00 PM »
The book Fighter Combat (Shaw) describes lethality as having its base on the 30cal MG of WW1.  Which has a lethality of 1:

A chart on page 6 shows lethality  as it applies here:

  • Gun - Year - ROF - Lethality
  • 30cal M2 - 1929 - 1200 - 1.7
  • 50cal M2 - 1933 - 800 - 6.4
  • 20mm M2 - 1941 - 650 - 15.9
  • 20mm M3 - 1944 - 800 - 18.2
  • 37mm M4 - 1941 - 134 - 7.2
  • 20mm M61 - 1957 - 6000 - 144.8 (For comparison)


To get total lethality you would add the lethality of all guns firing.  So for a 51D lethality would be 38.4 and for a 109G6 using MK103 it would be 10.6.

Shaw stated that lethality was roughly equal between the various designs of different countries.  Lethality basically comes down to this formula:

Lethality = (bullet weight) x (rate of fire) x (muzzle velocity) x (10 log -8)

Shaw did say that lethality can be based upon "Time of Flight".  In that case the muzzle velocity is adjusted for "Velocity at Impact".  The chart describes optimum lethality only.  

Shaw also descibes the effect of explosion damage caused by HE cannon rounds, but says the most important factors are those describe above.

As to the issue of "Lethality", we all know and Shaw states, "Regardless of the lethality of a given gun system, it is of little value unless it can be brought to bear on a target"

In my case, bringing the lethality to bear is foremost.  Well, lethality is just lethality.  

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2000, 12:39:00 PM »
Kind of on the subject anyone know if AH uses "Point Harminization" or "Pattern Harminization"?

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2000, 01:22:00 PM »
Mino, it depends on how you have your convergence setup.

Point harmonization, is when you setup your convergence for all gunbanks to the same distance. IE setting up all guns on a P-51 to a 300 yard convergence.

Pattern harmonization, is when you setup your convergence for your gunbanks to different distances. IE Setting up the P-51 to 300, 350, 400 convergence.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2000, 05:04:00 PM »
Verm;

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Thanks!  

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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2000, 06:39:00 PM »
Vermillion wrote:

Which of the planes in Aces High even have the Hispano MKV ?
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None, you'll have to wait for the Tempest to see that.




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