American commies are for Obama!

[bj229r]

"Competitive marketplace" is the thing that prevents inventions from spreading wide

Well....inventions that suck, anyway. What was that frightful 2 cycle car that ya had to wait years for, in good ol East Germany?

[KgB]

also.. it matters not if a few eggheads are cloistered in a world of acadamia.. the commies did that pretty well.. we do it pretty well.. I doubt that most of the 1 in a million eggheads who do pure research would know if they were in a lab in America or Soviet Russia..

But.. they are only a handful.. not the masses.. not the people.   The rest of us have a variety of needs and hopes and communism allows for very little opportunity.

communism plays down to the most worthless.. the most worthless thinks that living in a cube in a state slum with another family is pretty darn good living... everyone else forced to do the same hates it.   the most worthless thinks that the few things they are allowed to buy is plenty.. the rest are misserable.   A few think being locked in with walls and guards and gun towers and not being able to visit or live in other countries is just fine... the rest...

Killing commies is humane and moral.   commies are a threat to our very humanity.

lazs

Huh?Are you drinking right now?This must be your most idiotic post ever.
You confusing Communism with Buchenwald.You know..It may come as a shock to you but umm,you COULD choose profession in USSR.Just go to college.You wont have to pay $30000 for semester in MGU.Pass the test,and you're in.And we both know education in USSR was very good.Funny thing,USSR didn't have as much parasites in system as USA."Reproducing to get  Government check" thing will not work,you just gonna have work.Don't like your work,then go to College,gladly you don't need to pay rent,Apartments are free for every family.
It seems like you're quoting USA college book printed sometime in 1952:)
And to say that "Killing commies is humane and moral.",i mean Lasz:)You of all people here,grown man,seen life, Wise , religious (?)
I didn't expect that from you,honestly:)

[Anaxogoras]

Well....inventions that suck, anyway. What was that frightful 2 cycle car that ya had to wait years for, in good ol East Germany?

We're deceiving ourselves if we believe that our "competitive market" in the USA is bringing us all of the goods and services that we desire or need.  That is not the fault of free market capitalism, but of the unholy alliance between our corporations and government.  Witness GM's destruction of the EV1 over the protests of people who were willing to shell out lots of money to buy one.  For the most part, the stuff our frankenstein corporate-socialism economy sells to consumers is based on manufactured desire, and not need or real utility.

[KgB]

Well....inventions that suck, anyway. What was that frightful 2 cycle car that ya had to wait years for, in good ol East Germany?

At least you wont get screwed by salesmen at the dealership:)

[moot]

We're deceiving ourselves if we believe that our "competitive market" in the USA is bringing us all of the goods and services that we desire or need.  That is not the fault of free market capitalism, but of the unholy alliance between our corporations and government.  Witness GM's destruction of the EV1 over the protests of people who were willing to shell out lots of money to buy one.  For the most part, the stuff our frankenstein corporate-socialism economy sells to consumers is based on manufactured desire, and not need or real utility.

That's the not the system's failing, it's the people failing to take advantage of the system for all it's worth.  People, especialy in masses, always screw up the nicest things, no matter how fool proofed they are.  Hell, they even screwed up communism (of all things!) in russia (of all places!).

You guys point the finger at Lazs ragging on commies and their back asswards ideas, but yourselves don't even try and see why he says so.  Myself, I'd rather die trying to make a living in capitalist pandemonium, than live like a pig being spoon fed other people's earnings. 
As for good old Russia being a place one would love to live in, that's just what some card carrying commie would say, isn't it?  My father spent a few years working in the USSR 3-12 months at a time in the mid and late 80s, and from his first hand accounts, it sucked. And he wasn't even pessimistic about it (except for being followed all over, having to point a gun from across his hotel room at one of those guys that was going through his luggage in the middle of the night, and other choice russian habits).

[KgB]

We're deceiving ourselves if we believe that our "competitive market" in the USA is bringing us all of the goods and services that we desire or need.

Actually most of those goods you don't even need.People get spoiled,fat,lazy,stupid.Look at kids these days,take away PS3 from a child and he/she will end  up in mental institution.Which you cant force anyone to go to.You need to talk potential mass killer,mentally unstable moron,alcoholic,drug addict into it.And i believe they send you bill when you out.
Ah,the sweet freedom:)It should be limited.

[Boroda]

It seems like you're quoting USA college book printed sometime in 1952:)

That's exactly the degree of understanding that I usually see here, with some exceptions.

And to say that "Killing commies is humane and moral.",i mean Lasz:)You of all people here,grown man,seen life, Wise , religious (?)
I didn't expect that from you,honestly:)

I can expect "kill a commie from your mommy" from a man who was in Vietnam when he was young, but sometimes it makes me sick.

They just don't think we are humans. They preach for diversity and can't understand that there may be some people who want to live in a different society, not in their beloved "capitalism" backed up with Protestant "morale", with conscience above profit. Look, they still fight Linux, the greatest project that shows that we are right and they are wrong. In totalitarian USSR there could be no obstacles like copyright laws and all that silly crap.

[Speed55]

At least you wont get screwed by salesmen at the dealership:)

Just curious, what country do you live in KGB?   I know Boroda is in the ussr...  i mean russia....   one of the many independent countries that are around now after communism FAILED around 20 years ago.

So no matter what point you try to make for communism, just remember, it's dead.

I've met russians and poles that came here in the early and mid 1980's because they said plain and simple, communism sucked.

we have our problems, and most of them come from socialist policies that undermine what this country is supposed to be.

[moot]

They just don't think we are humans. They preach for diversity and can't understand that there may be some people who want to live in a different society, not in their beloved "capitalism" backed up with Protestant "morale", with conscience above profit. Look, they still fight Linux, the greatest project that shows that we are right and they are wrong. In totalitarian USSR there could be no obstacles like copyright laws and all that silly crap.

You're human alright, that isn't the problem..  It does make for a dramatic post to pretend that's what it is, though.

[Boroda]

That's the not the system's failing, it's the people failing to take advantage of the system for all it's worth.  People, especialy in masses, always screw up the nicest things, no matter how fool proofed they are.  Hell, they even screwed up communism (of all things!) in russia (of all places!).

You guys point the finger at Lazs ragging on commies and their back asswards ideas, but yourselves don't even try and see why he says so.  Myself, I'd rather die trying to make a living in capitalist pandemonium, than live like a pig being spoon fed other people's earnings. 
As for good old Russia being a place one would love to live in, that's just what some card carrying commie would say, isn't it?  My father spent a few years working in the USSR 3-12 months at a time in the mid and late 80s, and from his first hand accounts, it sucked. And he wasn't even pessimistic about it (except for being followed all over, having to point a gun from across his hotel room at one of those guys that was going through his luggage in the middle of the night, and other choice russian habits).

Your Dad had a gun to point at someone?!

All you guys listen to such "first hand accounts" that make us laugh.

Yes, it sucked for a foreigner on a business trip, who expected to see strip shows while he is away from his wife. From my point of view Moscow in late-80s was a damn funny place.

[moot]

He did.. A fake one.  It was the second time one of those guys had followed him, not just everywhere in public, but actualy into his room in the middle of the night.  First time he woke up as he was finishing his tour of the bedroom, and got out in no hurry after my dad yelled at the tosser.  Second time he froze and slowly backed out of the room only when he thought a gun was pointed at him. 
Making you laugh because I tell you a first hand account that's not likely to be much different from what really happened.. Well, you put it most tellingly in your numb witted pigeon-holing all "guys that listen to first hand accounts".

My dad actualy made a lot of friends and wasn't bored on his trips.  He didn't only go to Moscow but also to a few other labs.  The only one I remember is somewhere near Baikal lake.  They had an electron scanning microprobe there.  The first hand accounts he gave me were pretty objective and considerate.  He did point out the good things that couldn't have happened elsewhere.  Orgies and lots and lots of partying...  There was no contradicting the state, though, and that with other things pretty much void any possible "good old cccp".

[KgB]

Just curious, what country do you live in KGB?   I know Boroda is in the ussr...  i mean russia....   one of the many independent countries that are around now after communism FAILED around 20 years ago.

So no matter what point you try to make for communism, just remember, it's dead.

I've met russians and poles that came here in the early and mid 1980's because they said plain and simple, communism sucked.

we have our problems, and most of them come from socialist policies that undermine what this country is supposed to be.

And what is this country supposed to be?
Well,USSR is dead because Gorby didn't know what he was doing,or maybe he did,maybe he did on perpose.
We will never know.
It actually reminds me of similar scenario.Wealthiest nation on earth elects a moron for president,and i think nation suspected that he was a moron.After first presidential term nation knows for sure that he is definitely a moron and reelects him again.How that happened we will never know,its a mystery.USA economy is in toilet now.
What I'm saying is,it takes very little,maybe one man to destroy something very great.
For USSR it was Gorby,for USA its gonna be George:)

[moot]

It's a mystery because you never learned to see things through american eyes. You're stuck on russian, or wherever it is you came from.

[lasersailor184]

And we both know education in USSR was very good.

   My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.

[KgB]

It's a mystery because you never learned to see things through american eyes. You're stuck on russian, or wherever it is you came from.

At least i CAN see through  my russian, or wherever it is i came from eyes.
I've been in this country long enough to realize that system is just as fragile as communism.
And you guys keep  fuc$#g it up.