Constant dweebery

[Masherbrum]

I hope to one day, be just "Average" in this cartoon plane game.   Until then I'll just wallow with the po' boys at the po' house of AH.   

[BaldEagl]

excuse my naivety ....
why wouldn't attacks from the rear be thought of as cowardly and unsportsman like?  what could be more honest than a face-2-face first pass death match?
I think people have it back wards here.......and like I said.......... if it's all about the purity, sport and art of it all.......... try the dueling arena.

They often are.  That's why you also hear so many whines about being picked.

The sport is in getting a gun solution through a match of wit and skills while manouvering an airplane when both parties have "a sporting chance" through a cold merge (or without being picked).  Once the fight is on not many will argue with the fact that anything goes.

As to shooting someone in the back being cowardly, since the introduction of the fighter aircraft pilots have been taught that the best place to be is on their enemy's six.  You can't equate this to a duel in the wild west.  Cowboys didn't have to manouver a 5 ton aircraft around in three dimensions to deliver a gun solution.  Beyond that, most fighter dogfights don't end with a pilot kill, but rather a damaged aircraft and a bailed, but live, pilot.

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I hope to one day, be just "Average" in this cartoon plane game.   Until then I'll just wallow with the po' boys at the po' house of AH.   

well Kar...  im sure you are above average, but i have not had the pleasure of  fighting ya yet, which i hope to change.

[Vudak]

I've been flying for 14 going on 15 years, I don't need piloting advice, I need to learn the game interfacing and the strat system.

Not wanting it, and not needing it, are two different things.

First off, no one here cares how long you've been flying.  I've been playing these games on and off for about 10 years.  I've been able to beat the crud out of some guys who've been playing for 20 years, and I've had my butt absolutely handed to me by guys who've been playing 20 months or less.  Around here, the only thing seniority means is you understand more inside jokes.

From your last post, it seems as though you think people advise others to avoid the HO because of some sort of honor system or unwritten rule.  That's a pretty malicious way to view this community, IMO. 

People are advising others to avoid the HO because people do want to help others, and when it comes down to angles, options, and sound tactics, going for a HO at the merge is the bottom of the barrel.

If you get fed up with someone trying to HO you, and position yourself to retaliate with a HO, you have negated any advantage you would have had by doing any number of different things.  A lead turn, a controlled dive to build useable speed, setting up an overshoot, anything, really. 

The point is, any of the other options give you a better than 50% chance to kill your opponent.  50% is really the best you can hope for by caving in.  And refusing to cave in does NOT all of a sudden turn his chance into "100%" (really, where do you get that?  Shooting a plane in the face that's passing below you and to the side is one of the more difficult shots in the game...)  As soon as he goes for the face shot, he's really put himself in trouble, anyway.  He has three options at this point: run, die, or work like crazy to climb out of that hole he got himself into.

Really though, I think you need to stop acting like you've learned everything.  You do need training.  We ALL do.  Some of us just make it more obvious

[Animl]

Not wanting it, and not needing it, are two different things.

First off, no one here cares how long you've been flying.  I've been playing these games on and off for about 10 years.  I've been able to beat the crud out of some guys who've been playing for 20 years, and I've had my butt absolutely handed to me by guys who've been playing 20 months or less.  Around here, the only thing seniority means is you understand more inside jokes.

From your last post, it seems as though you think people advise others to avoid the HO because of some sort of honor system or unwritten rule.  That's a pretty malicious way to view this community, IMO. 

People are advising others to avoid the HO because people do want to help others, and when it comes down to angles, options, and sound tactics, going for a HO at the merge is the bottom of the barrel.

If you get fed up with someone trying to HO you, and position yourself to retaliate with a HO, you have negated any advantage you would have had by doing any number of different things.  A lead turn, a controlled dive to build useable speed, setting up an overshoot, anything, really. 

The point is, any of the other options give you a better than 50% chance to kill your opponent.  50% is really the best you can hope for by caving in.  And refusing to cave in does NOT all of a sudden turn his chance into "100%" (really, where do you get that?  Shooting a plane in the face that's passing below you and to the side is one of the more difficult shots in the game...)  As soon as he goes for the face shot, he's really put himself in trouble, anyway.  He has three options at this point: run, die, or work like crazy to climb out of that hole he got himself into.

Really though, I think you need to stop acting like you've learned everything.  You do need training.  We ALL do.  Some of us just make it more obvious

Ya know what I learned in this thread, some of you people don't now how to listen, or retain things in text. You just like to hear yourself talk, that's about it.

I got 6 sentences in and said "screw this mud hole".

There's some real smart people in here who got what I said the first time, the first post.

<Walks away shaking head>

Not going to give it the time of day.

Animl

[Vudak]

With all due respect I feel a direct need to call BS on the "Deflection" stuff. It's NOT a deflection when you're in my windshield or sites. The only time I see much "deflection" is during looping.

I'm with this guy and the thousands of others who are just sick of it.

OTOH, if everyone >>>KNEW<<<  >>everyone<< else would fire in a HO merge, people would get more inventive to avoid the obvious and would NOT have that chance to burn you with dweebery point mongering.

Most of this is done with the pile-it A (dweeb) assuming pile-it B (someone with morals) will honor the merge and NOT fire on the merge,.... so pile-it A fires first, assuming pile-it B's morals will not defend him. Pile-it B loses every time.

I'm going to quit whining about HOs and just fly by the rule that if you appear in my windshield and I will fire 100% of the time. This will help eliminate the HO merge so often in the first place. REMOVE the advantage from the dweeb all together. Make it real, give him\her their own medicine. And let it be known to them before they pull in front of you for that shot they ARE the target, you WILL fire. We aren't shaking hands on the pass.

SO that being said, pull in front of me and I will fire because 80% of the point monger dweebs will NOT honor the morals of not firing on a HO merge. So fire away, because I WILL.  Thats how you eliminate it, flip the tables.

I had to finally resort to this because it's almost every flight someone attempts an HO WAY too often. Why should *I* be the idiot for an idiot? Remove the moral leverage he uses on you and pull the trigger.

So pull in front of my 190 A5 of P-51D and it's GOING to fire, period.  Sorry, <shrug> hate to be a dork but.... better learn to be more creative on selections of merging a fight. Because you HOers are going to watch your brains mist on the rear of your canopy.

Pull the trigger.

That is all <S>
Animl

Here's your first post...  I've highlighted an important part.

You "had to finally resort to it?"

Oh, I understand what you're saying.  So do some people you wouldn't, evidently, label as being "real smart."

[Squire]

...I thought dweebery was a bell curve?

Think writing the function in a piece-wise format helps to explain.
For x < 0 and x not = -1 you have ln ( -(x^2 -1) and for 0 < = x and x
not = to 1 you have ln (x^2-1).

In the first instance, the derivative is (1 / -(x^2-1) ) (-2x) )
In the second, the derivative is (1 / (x^2-1) ) (2x) ).

Both are equal to 2x / (x^2 - 1).

...or something like that. 

[PFactorDave]

 

[PFactorDave]

blah blah blah

"edited"

Why bother, nothing will changed.

[Delirium]

Vudak is not only a real nice guy who I had the pleasure to meet in person, but he is also one of the better sticks in AH. Ignore his advice at your own peril...

As for the HO, go ahead and HO me all you want. If I have any room to avoid it, you will simply throw the fight at the merge giving me an easy victory. Better yet, when I see the HO I know I'm dealing with a noob who has no clue what to do and it gives me even more confidence.

As the saying goes, "any angles you give the bandit at the merge will haunt you for the rest of the fight".

That said, I'm more than willing to help anyone learn how to avoid the HO, just ask me.