Constant dweebery

[cowboy73]

Good sticks now hoing!   I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting.  These are good sticks, they used to be at least. I was in the da  Doolittle and i was in a fight, went vert he rolled over and shot in the head on position. WHY?  Scared    



I challenge all players that are tired to start saying what they feel about this!

Coward score mongers!


HItech   help with this before this becomes the norm or there will be people leaving by the boatload!

[SAS_KID]

Don't give them the shot then.

[cowboy73]

come on!   You got killed by ho   lol  I always hear the whining.

[RTR]

Here's the truth about the HO shot.

It very rarely happens, for the simple reason that in order for it to be a real honest to god HO, you must also have a gun solution on your opponent. 99% of the HO shots that people complain about when they die are in reality "deflection" shots.

Bottom line is, if you die from a true HO shot, you helped engineer that shot.

Now, that being said, there are many trainers who can help you recognise and deflect that scenario in the TA. Barring that (if you are in the TA and no trainers are available), I would be more than happy to help you out with recognising where/what your opponent is doing.

Heck, you coud even see me flying in the MA and give me a shout. I am always available to unscrew stuff.

Have a few years behind me with this, so the offer is there.

cheers,
RTR

[Oleg]

I ran into several guys that think hoing is better than fighting. 

Sometimes it really is.

HO'ing isnt any more wrong than vulching, ganging, picking, ack hugging and some more ppl activity what happens all time in every arena. And virtually everyone sometimes do something classified as extremely lame, dweeby and gamey.

[RTSigma]

I guess the only way to "fix" this "problem" is to, oh, I don't know, point yourself at his guns? If you two are screaming at each other at 300mph, level and no one flinches til 200d out, then why not do something to avoid it? You're not being forced to fly, to play this game or to fly with others if you chose to, you can climb higher, try a different approach, or hell just simply not care about it. I'll HO if someone is approaching my level B-25H, I love having a reason to fire a buttload of .50's and a 75mm into someone's face.

We may like to act like Knights of the Sky from WWI with salutes and co-alt fights and no shooting on the first pass rules, but if you're a threat to someone or to their mission or wingman, any situation in which their bullets can strike your plane is fair game.

[Animl]

Here's the truth about the HO shot.

It very rarely happens, for the simple reason that in order for it to be a real honest to god HO, you must also have a gun solution on your opponent. 99% of the HO shots that people complain about when they die are in reality "deflection" shots.

Bottom line is, if you die from a true HO shot, you helped engineer that shot.

Now, that being said, there are many trainers who can help you recognise and deflect that scenario in the TA. Barring that (if you are in the TA and no trainers are available), I would be more than happy to help you out with recognising where/what your opponent is doing.

Heck, you coud even see me flying in the MA and give me a shout. I am always available to unscrew stuff.

Have a few years behind me with this, so the offer is there.

cheers,
RTR

With all due respect I feel a direct need to call BS on the "Deflection" stuff. It's NOT a deflection when you're in my windshield or sites. The only time I see much "deflection" is during looping.

I'm with this guy and the thousands of others who are just sick of it.

OTOH, if everyone >>>KNEW<<<  >>everyone<< else would fire in a HO merge, people would get more inventive to avoid the obvious and would NOT have that chance to burn you with dweebery point mongering.

Most of this is done with the pile-it A (dweeb) assuming pile-it B (someone with morals) will honor the merge and NOT fire on the merge,.... so pile-it A fires first, assuming pile-it B's morals will not defend him. Pile-it B loses every time.

I'm going to quit whining about HOs and just fly by the rule that if you appear in my windshield and I will fire 100% of the time. This will help eliminate the HO merge so often in the first place. REMOVE the advantage from the dweeb all together. Make it real, give him\her their own medicine. And let it be known to them before they pull in front of you for that shot they ARE the target, you WILL fire. We aren't shaking hands on the pass.

SO that being said, pull in front of me and I will fire because 80% of the point monger dweebs will NOT honor the morals of not firing on a HO merge. So fire away, because I WILL.  Thats how you eliminate it, flip the tables.

I had to finally resort to this because it's almost every flight someone attempts an HO WAY too often. Why should *I* be the idiot for an idiot? Remove the moral leverage he uses on you and pull the trigger.

So pull in front of my 190 A5 of P-51D and it's GOING to fire, period.  Sorry, <shrug> hate to be a dork but.... better learn to be more creative on selections of merging a fight. Because you HOers are going to watch your brains mist on the rear of your canopy.

Pull the trigger.

That is all <S>
Animl

[RTHolmes]

well said Animl

RT (pile-it B )

[Oleg]

Most of this is done with the pile-it A (dweeb) assuming pile-it B (someone with morals) will honor the merge and NOT fire on the merge,.... so pile-it A fires first, assuming pile-it B's morals will not defend him. Pile-it B loses every time.

If 'B' keeps in mind 'A' can fire at first merge and perform some sort of lead turn for example, 'B' will win every time. If 'B' just fly stright in hope 'A' will not fire, he deserve being HOed.
Unless it happens in DA, of course.

Fighting HOers by HOing them, hm... isnt too cleverly i say.

[Scca]

In the theme of dweebery, are those who are so worried about their score that they run from 1v1's.  This morning the same player used his fellow chess members as sacrificial lambs to get kills, running away every chance he could from a 1v1.

I don't really care about score, but play for the fight.  Where are all the players?  Where are the people that just want a good fight, win or lose?  I could have a 6 to 1 K/D if I ran like these little girls do, but what fun is that?  I could go on, but it's really not worth it..

I will end this whine to say that if any one wants a good fun DA, look me up in the MA.  I am tired of all the meek game play and want a good fight. 

As far as HO's go, you deserve what you get if you fly into someones guns.  Avoid the front of a plane, and your problems are solved.  Plain and simple.

[Ghastly]

In the MA (or an event) any shot is fair game - if I (stupidly) allow my aircraft to be where his bullets can reach me it's my fault.  If you keep this in mind, you'll find that you rarely have an HO problem - in fact, I don't remember when I was last HO'ed (except the "unplanned variety" that happens when you get more planes than you can keep track of in the heart of a furball).

As has been said - if your opponent appears to be driving straight in for a head on, maneuver for an offset merge and then lead turn him. A B-17 can just about out come around on someone who's intent on drilling in straight through you, and almost any fighter in the game can do so easily. He may be willing to flip the coin on a 50/50, but I'm not. And the easiest pilot in the game to kill is the one that's does exactly what you expect him to do.

<S>

[Animl]

If 'B' keeps in mind 'A' can fire at first merge and perform some sort of lead turn for example, 'B' will win every time. If 'B' just fly stright in hope 'A' will not fire, he deserve being HOed.
Unless it happens in DA, of course.

Fighting HOers by HOing them, hm... isnt too cleverly i say.

>Fighting HOers by HOing them, hm... isnt too cleverly i say.

> If 'B' just fly stright in hope 'A' will not fire, he deserve being HOed.

Ok which one is it? Sounds to me like you just said what I did then contradicted ur self.

Maybe but it's the only way. Relying on others to be moral about is naive at best. I will fire, learn it, live it, love it.

Get in front of me and ur dead, period. Unless ur pile-it A then it makes sense.

[Tr0jan]

I always get Ho'd

so yesterday i started Hoing back, man did i hear alot of moaning 

[Animl]

In the MA (or an event) any shot is fair game - if I (stupidly) allow my aircraft to be where his bullets can reach me it's my fault.  If you keep this in mind, you'll find that you rarely have an HO problem - in fact, I don't remember when I was last HO'ed (except the "unplanned variety" that happens when you get more planes than you can keep track of in the heart of a furball).

As has been said - if your opponent appears to be driving straight in for a head on, maneuver for an offset merge and then lead turn him. A B-17 can just about out come around on someone who's intent on drilling in straight through you, and almost any fighter in the game can do so easily. He may be willing to flip the coin on a 50/50, but I'm not. And the easiest pilot in the game to kill is the one that's does exactly what you expect h. im to do.

<S>

True enough, but I will fire on the target the instant the HO merge is chosen by pile-it A.

[Oleg]

>Fighting HOers by HOing them, hm... isnt too cleverly i say.

> If 'B' just fly stright in hope 'A' will not fire, he deserve being HOed.

Ok which one is it? Sounds to me like you just said what I did then contradicted ur self.

Try to re-read my post from beginning, in first sentence i said what 'B' need to do to defeat HOer.

Maybe but it's the only way. Relying on others to be moral about is naive at best. I will fire, learn it, live it, love it.
Get in front of me and ur dead, period. Unless ur pile-it A then it makes sense.

You are free to do that. Generally, if you fire at first merge you lost fight already.

Edit:
If you think HOing HOers is good way to fight them, you need to spend some time in TA with trainer.