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Offline PFactorDave

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Terminology Question
« on: July 05, 2008, 12:49:34 AM »
Slashing Attack versus Boom and Zoom...

What exactly, if any, is the difference? 

I'm assuming, possibly incorrectly, that a slashing attack involves a deflection angle shot followed by a small zoom or other E conserving manuever then another slashing attack.

Is Boom and Zoom really just slashing attacks, but BnZ has gotten a bad rep from cherry pickers who Boom from large alt advantage and then zoom back up to the perch?

I've been reading and studying quite a bit since this tour started and would like a clarification.  Many folks discribe BnZ as "boring".  I spent the day flying mostly a P51D.   I would come in fairly high, attempt to jump an opponent (admittedly a cherry pick attempt), then follow up with numerous high and low yo-yo type manuevers to continue slashing at the target.  Most of the time, after the first Boom I was never more then about 2k from the target (unless I found myself in trouble, in which case I would make a run for it to hopefully escape and reset).  I didn't find it boring or particularly easy.  After the initial attempted "cherry pick" was I slashing?

Just wanting to better understand the terminology so as to better understand the reading material.

Thanks in advance.  :salute

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Offline Delirium

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Re: Terminology Question
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2008, 02:14:42 AM »
No difference... however, remember that you are best off never getting outside 1.5 from the bandit. If you extend beyond this range, it allows the defender to reset his position and get ready for the next high speed pass attempt (not to mention zooming 3.0 or more away is boring/lame as well).

The difference between a good BnZ pilot and a simple 'one pass, haul a**' dweeb is aggressiveness. I remember Wilbuz when he used to fly D9s, he would mimc my movements at 1.0-1.5 out until I made a mistake and exposed myself. If he missed or I was able to make him overshoot, he would return to this position 1.0-1.5k out and reset the process. This compared to today's D9 dweeb who waits 3K yards icon (or 9K feet) up high and waits for someone to get engaged with another friendly and pick.

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Re: Terminology Question
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2008, 10:00:35 AM »
No difference... however, remember that you are best off never getting outside 1.5 from the bandit. If you extend beyond this range, it allows the defender to reset his position and get ready for the next high speed pass attempt (not to mention zooming 3.0 or more away is boring/lame as well).
While I understand exactly what you're talking about with separation.  I think a high percentage of newer players, or even average players will get wacked attempting to carry out an attack with these parameters.  Not only is positioning essential, but one needs to be able to judge E like a master to make that work correctly.  I can think of many scenarios where leaving separation in that range is a mistake.

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Re: Terminology Question
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2008, 10:13:19 AM »
You have to read the terminology at face value.
Boom&Zoom means biasing tactics on a strategic E/speed advantage.  e.g. Using a K4 to out-vertical a P47, rather than "turn and burn" with it.

Slashing could mean a number of specific things (and often enough people will repeat/use terminology in the sense they understand, not necessarily in the way it was meant the first time they heard it).  Most likely it means a relatively (relative to the target's trajectory) stiff trajectory and shot position.  e.g. "cutting" across the target's trajectories without lingering any more than the shots require.
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Re: Terminology Question
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2008, 09:35:49 PM »
I think a high percentage of newer players, or even average players will get wacked attempting to carry out an attack with these parameters.  Not only is positioning essential, but one needs to be able to judge E like a master to make that work correctly. 

If they don't want to get whacked and fly in a timid manner, it will only take longer for them to improve. Depending how timid they are, they may never improve... I'm not saying a P47 should try and out turn a zero, but a P47 doesn't need 5k separation between runs.
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