Tactic's cheese with your whine?

[SteveBailey]

Oh by the way sorry if I hurt ur feelings U never see me on 200 I was probably out of line Just could not resist it    

While I appreciate your comment, I'm afraid you may have taken me a little too seriously. Sometimes, I talk smack for entertainment to pass time while I'm heading for the fight again. As an example, you are talkng about a HO'er in a nik named Anakkin.  He said he got 7 that flight, and I said, "WTG, even if ya HO'd me." I shot him down the next flight:  


then said:

Anyway, you didn't hurt my feelings as I'm just goofin around, killin time. I don't mind enthusiastic exchanges on 200 at all, although I have noticed that some people take it very seriously and even remember a smack talk exchange far down the road as if they were  somehow wounded and carrying a grudge.
I enjoy it when someone gets  going and gets in a couple of good lines, even when I'm the target.  A lot of times, that's all I'm looking for, a little wit in the exchange to have a chuckle at. I don't profess to be good enough at this game, or in need of some kind of self affirmation, to take it so seriously. So feel free to smack me around on 200 any time you feel like.  all I ask is that you try to put some zing in it so we can both have a laugh.  

[SteveBailey]

put a cork in it noob you know us noobs dont know squat

Heh, I've been playing since 2001, will I ever shake the noob moniker?

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ill add my worth less $.02

if you use the same tactic, well what is there to say about that? im sure you can figure that out.

you first off should not be thinking about it, it should become instinct, and you should be able to adapt, to what ever situation is happening, with out thinking about it.

[Yenny]

DA RIGHT NOW !

[Oldman731]

But hey, if you take pride in thinking avoiding the fight matters, then you go for it sir.  I hope you have a grand old time of it

I think he's just fooling.

Hope so, at least.  Hate to think that someone really feels this way.'

- oldman

[stephen]

The reality of this tactic is that if you in most American plane's (or any boom and zoom'r for that matter) facing a better turning fighter, you will get one very decent shot only at your opponent.
The prospects of getting another will probably be low as your nme's turn fighter will get the next angle on you, forcing you to dive away...

Somtimes combat is about making the most of that 1st merge, and getting a shot on the nme before he can hit you,...<S> just a passing fancy guys, keep it coming.

[Stang]

If you are in a faster BnZ ride, you most likely hold the advantage in the fight.  Use it, don't run away like a chickenshit.  Fights aren't two dimensional, be creative but above all be aggressive.  One halfassed attempt and run is just weak and not good tactics.  Who makes this garbage legit these days anyway?

[BlkKnit]

On the merge I am usually able to pull off a quite magical move that puts my enemy directly on my six.  If I am unable to achieve a secure 12 o'clock position, I immediately auger.

[Tr1gg22]

While I appreciate your comment, I'm afraid you may have taken me a little too seriously. Sometimes, I talk smack for entertainment to pass time while I'm heading for the fight again. As an example, you are talkng about a HO'er in a nik named Anakkin.  He said he got 7 that flight, and I said, "WTG, even if ya HO'd me." I shot him down the next flight: 
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Anyway, you didn't hurt my feelings as I'm just goofin around, killin time. I don't mind enthusiastic exchanges on 200 at all, although I have noticed that some people take it very seriously and even remember a smack talk exchange far down the road as if they were  somehow wounded and carrying a grudge.
I enjoy it when someone gets  going and gets in a couple of good lines, even when I'm the target.  A lot of times, that's all I'm looking for, a little wit in the exchange to have a chuckle at. I don't profess to be good enough at this game, or in need of some kind of self affirmation, to take it so seriously. So feel free to smack me around on 200 any time you feel like.  all I ask is that you try to put some zing in it so we can both have a laugh.   

THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TIME BY THE WAY were is my coment? anyhow was fun Im out

[Xasthur]

That said, My favorite merge tactic is to dive a bit before pulling up in the vertical, turning into the nme whilst pulling throttle, and raking his cockpit....This works most of the time if our energy states are similair, and is pretty sneaky if done correctly.

Try that against anyone who knows what they're doing and you're toast.

You'll be raking nothing but empty air whilst your opponent maneuvers behind you for a 6 shot that they can take whenever they like since you have handed them a tidy E advantage by pulling such a move.

[Donzo]

On the merge I am usually able to pull off a quite magical move that puts my enemy directly on my six.

And I thought I was the only one that mastered this maneuver.  I wonder what would happen if two masters such as ourselves were to go against each other.

[trotter]

The reality of this tactic is that if you in most American plane's (or any boom and zoom'r for that matter) facing a better turning fighter, you will get one very decent shot only at your opponent.

You just answered your own issue.

If you think you'll get beat in the horizontal, chances are your plane performs better in the vertical (zoom or climb rate). Therefore, you DO have an advantage, and it is one that will give you infinitely better shots than the lame HO you described in your initial post. As Stang said, don't run because your plane doesnt win on a 2d plane. Think 3d, and you will be surprised how many rookie pilots you can down, regardless of how good a "turning fighter" they are in. Heck, they probably all will try your same HO move on you, too.

[Ack-Ack]

I do this merge every time I'm co alt and Co E with an enemy in my 38. Dive down a bit to gain E, pull hard vertical up and around 180 degrees whilst chopping throttle and popping flaps. Usually gets on the enemies 6 VERY quickly and I can control the fight most of the time from there.

The merge is courtesy of Pawz.   

Problem is if the other guy recognizes what you're doing, all they have to do is go vertical and extend their zoom as much as possible and you won't be able to do squat other than hang stalled out below them, ripe for a belly shot.  By chopping your throttle and pulling hard into their attack, you're burning E and if the guy goes up (I prefer a spiral climb for this) you will not have the E to match his climb for a shot but he'll be able to stall you out.  YMMV.


ack-ack

[DaveJ]

Problem is if the other guy recognizes what you're doing, all they have to do is go vertical and extend their zoom as much as possible and you won't be able to do squat other than hang stalled out below them, ripe for a belly shot.  By chopping your throttle and pulling hard into their attack, you're burning E and if the guy goes up (I prefer a spiral climb for this) you will not have the E to match his climb for a shot but he'll be able to stall you out.  YMMV.


ack-ack

Agreed, but more often than not I do not have this happen to me and 2 things happen can happen instead: 1) They continue on a straight path after the merge and just extend, with me on their 6. 2) They also pull a hard merge like me and we immediately get into a turn fight.

Granted, I know which planes to do this merge against, and which ones to not. I sure won't find myself getting slow for a Zeke or a Hurri, thats for sure.

[yanksfan]

In this thread alone, there are at least 10 really awsum sticks giving some pretty good advice. I won't even pretend to say i grasp all of what the truely good sticks try and teach.

But in the time that i have been playing the one thing i know for sure is that I don't know how much I don't know.

There is no out of the box answer for anything in dogfighting and every time you think you have something down, someone will make a monkey of you. I'd rather fly the DA then MA, I want to dogfight, fight being the key word here. People in MA that are only concerned with getting kills by any means are missing out on alot of fun actually learning to fight.

 But hey, it's your $15 so have at it. It's a game and games are ment to be fun