Forget the 50 mpg carb; this guy has a 80 mpg Mustang

[Toad]

OK, I'm very sceptical. This sounds impossible. Other articles on this guy and his Mustang quote 110 mpg with more to come.

I guess we'll have to see what happens when he enters it in the X-prize competition. If it's true, it is a world changer.

Note there are no details about how he did it and so far the only testing appears to have been done by the venture captial company supporting him.

Sounds like some serious smoke blowing going on here but it would be pretty cool if it were true.

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080701/BUSINESS02/807010341

But looks can be deceiving. Mr. Pelmear's 21-year-old pony car has enough technological innovation to quadruple the classic Mustang's original gas mileage while almost doubling its available horsepower.

That's 80 miles per gallon and 400 horsepower, folks. And the 48-year-old electronics engineer and master mechanic is not done yet.

The third-generation automotive tinkerer hopes that next year his Mustang - more specifically its engine - will help him win the $10 million Progressive Automotive X Prize: a "race" to find an affordable, marketable automobile that gets at least 100 miles per gallon, or its equivalent.

"I'm an optimist, and I think people need to know there is hope out there," Mr. Pelmear said. "That's why I decided to enter the X Prize race. I could have sold this [technology] off, but then people might not have seen it.

"It's not about the money. Our country really needs this."

[soda72]

hmm interesting...

When is the X-Prize race?

[Saxman]

Is the guy already entered in the race? I'd be surprised if he'd commit to something so public if he didn't have something.

If this is true, Muscle Car enthusiasts are bound to be wetting themselves with glee if they can get the same high-performance engine without sacrificing fuel economy. ESPECIALLY if there's a way to develop this to where an existing engine can be upgraded, rather than having to replace it.

[Toad]

The finals are 2009.

The proposed X Prize rules have been released for comment, and the final rules will probably be published this summer. Teams that enter the contest will present their designs for review in mid-2008.

Judges will take a hard look at optimistic numbers and throw out the dreamers, predicts Theodore. "Somebody will say, 'We are using unobtainium, but when we get into production, economies of scale will bring down the cost to less than that of compacted dirt,'" he chuckles. "That is what we are trying to screen out."

Those teams whose cars are deemed viable will build their machines to contest the qualifying race in early 2009. To survive that round, entries must achieve 75 mpg (or the equivalent in some other form of energy, designated MPGe) and low emissions.

The qualifying race winners in the mainstream and alternative classes will split a cash prize (no amount has been set, but we've heard $25 million), with the winning mainstream team getting 75 percent of the booty and the alternative team getting the remaining 25 percent.

Top finishers from the qualifying race will advance to the final race in mid-2009. This event will require 100 MPGe and will be conducted over thousands of miles across the country, with varying conditions and even the use of non-team drivers, with possibly average citizens and even journalists taking turns at the wheel.

The winner will be the car that meets all of the minimum requirements and finishes the race in the least time. Again, the mainstream class gets triple the cash of the alternative class.

[Toad]

Remember the old saying about something that sounds to good to be true.

He's increasing the efficiency of that Mustang by 4-500 %.  I think sceptical is a good stance right now. If he does it and gets this stuff into production though, I think we should have a beautiful girl kiss his axe on the 50 yard line of the 2010 Superbowl at half time. 

[lasersailor184]

Remember the old saying about something that sounds to good to be true.

He's increasing the efficiency of that Mustang by 4-500 %.  I think sceptical is a good stance right now. If he does it and gets this stuff into production though, I think we should have a beautiful girl kiss his axe on the 50 yard line of the 2010 Superbowl at half time. 

It's actually very interesting.  I've been learning about electronics and ICE's recently.  And this is where the money is to be made.


Not in finding some odd ball fuel source.  But increasing the efficiency of all thermodynamic processes.  Same applies for Solar Panels.  At best, the current top of the line Solar Panels convert 20% of the sun's power. 

That's 80% power not ever to be used.  Even doubling the power from 20% to 40% would suddenly make Solar Panels viable over regular power WITHOUT subsidies.

[moot]

38% efficiency with standard internal combustion and fuel engine layout... A classic heavy framed muscle car pushing 400hp would come out on top of the "save the world" XPrize field of Jetsons-like solar snailmobiles and microeconoboxes

[lasersailor184]

38% efficiency with standard internal combustion and fuel engine layout... A classic heavy framed muscle car pushing 400hp would come out on top of the "save the world" XPrize field of Jetsons-like solar snailmobiles and microeconoboxes

With the mechanics and electronics running underneath his hood, I bet you'd need a Doctorate or Masters just to fix it.

[Toad]

If it works, they'll reduce to to snap in / snap out modules made in China. 

I cannot, in my heart, believe the guy has actually done it in a mass producable, affordable way.

However, I cannot help but chuckle when I imagine 100+ mpg Suburbans zipping around. It'd still be on Arab oil though and that's a downer.

[Saxman]

True, but you'd need less of it. 

[moot]

I cannot, in my heart, believe the guy has actually done it in a mass producable, affordable way.

Yeah.. I don't follow the industry much, but from what I recall, not too long ago Volvo was leading the pack of experimental internal combustion efficiency.. I can't recall what their % efficiency was, but it was impressive, and 38% is more than they had managed.  And they and the rest of the world have been at it orders of magnitude more, in man-hours and funds, than this guy.  38% is more than any established energy source of any type that I can recall.
The article is on a local newspaper from Toledo... Come on The industry would have had at least someone all over this and it would have made headlines in a bigger newspaper already.

[Toad]

Oh, he was on TV on one of the major network evening news shows. My wife saw it and mentioned it to me and I started surfing.

So he's had some press.

Of course.... bum-bum-bum-baaaaah! Bush has that supersecret government killing agency out there trying to put a hit on this guy because Bush's buddies in the Awl Bidness asked him too. But you knew that, right?

[Gunslinger]

True, but you'd need less of it. 

That's great until demand increases.  If we have more cars on the road using gass the fact that they don't use as much of it becomes irrelevent.  This would be a temp to short term fix in my book.  Of course it's a good first step.

[Megalodon]

Hp2g.com Check the bottom video. 12 sec car that gets 100mpg

http://www.hp2g.com/videos.html

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"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 16, 2008


FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:                                 

Julie Myers                                                                                                                   

Regional Growth Partnership

Phone: 419/252-2700
 
Rocket Ventures Revs its Engine with Horsepower Sales Sponsorship

Horse Power Sales.net Inc., a Napoleon-based company, has created a superior engine that is poised to revolutionize fuel efficiency and auto manufacturing as we know it. Rocket Ventures, a program of the Regional Growth Partnership, is pleased to announce its sponsorship of Horse Power Sales’ HP2g TEAM in the Progressive Automotive X PRIZE – a competition designed to inspire a new generation of viable, super fuel-efficient vehicles. The independent and technology-neutral competition is open to teams from around the world that can design and build production-capable, 100 MPGe (miles per gallon energy equivalent) vehicles that people will want to buy and that meet market needs for price, size, capability, safety and performance
Through patented technology, Horse Power Sales.net Inc. president Doug Pelmear has discovered a way to allow a standard V8 engine to travel the energy equivalent of 110 mpg on E-85 (Ethanol Blend) fuel. The most striking feature of the HP2g engine is that it’s designed to run in SUV’s and larger family cars.
“As gas prices soar, consumer preference is shifting to cars that are fuel-efficient and buyers are choosing smaller more compact cars. I wanted to throw the concept that a fuel- efficient car has to be small out the window, so I specifically designed my engine for SUVs and larger vehicles,” said Pelmear.
On June 14, Hp2g will be put to a real-world test at the Milan Dragway in Milan, Michigan.  Pelmear believes that the results will back-up his fuel-efficiency estimates and will position HP2g as a major contender for the X PRIZE.
“Northwest Ohio is replete with experts in advanced manufacturing and engineering, and Horse Power Sales.net Inc. is no exception. Rocket Ventures was tasked by the state of Ohio to help advance entrepreneurs with innovative technology. Doug certainly fits that mold and we are thrilled to support the Horse Power Sales’ HP2g TEAM. Everyone at Rocket Ventures is looking forward to seeing the results of the race on June 14, “said Dr. Todd Davies, Rocket Ventures business development manager.
About Rocket Ventures
Rocket Ventures, a division of the Regional Growth Partnership, is a pre-seed, early-stage venture fund for technology-based entities/companies operating within the state of Ohio. It consists of $15 million in state funding and $7.5 million in private sector investment.
About The Regional Growth Partnership
The Regional Growth Partnership is a private nonprofit development corporation dedicated to fostering local, national and international economic growth opportunities for Northwest Ohio and Southeast Michigan."

To get a State govrenment involved, I bet it works!

[soda72]

hmmm doesn't sound like they are using normal gasoline..