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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008, 12:21:37 PM »
http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=3922475

But the academy's nutrition committee says mounting evidence shows that damage leading to heart disease begins early in life.


The mounting evidence is more than likely directly related to the kick backs from drug companies that the pediatricians will get.
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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008, 12:26:48 PM »
The problem is parents aren't teaching this. Almost every overweight, out of shape kid with a crappy diet has an overweight, out of shape parent with a crappy diet.
I agree that is a problem, but the answer, IMO, is not a pill.

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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008, 12:27:45 PM »
To often we NEED a pill to fix us so the big companies tell us. I heard one the other day on TV that was a pill for helping shut ins come out. Some of the side effects included flatulence (farts) with a greasy discharge. How is that helping some one come out in public. :rofl :rofl :rofl
 
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008, 12:33:39 PM »
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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 12:42:20 PM »
Much can be learned from Nature, Naturalpath, homopath, or ancient chinese medicines.  :aok

Most of us North Americans desended from peoples that were not well off and had to go many days with out a good meal, there fore our genes have adapted to storing food.
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008, 12:47:49 PM »
That genetic trait was present a while before then, I think
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2008, 01:43:30 PM »
A pill does nothing but cover up the problem and reduce the symptoms.  Get off the high fat, empty carb diet and eat high nutrient food and exercise and it will reverse plaque build up in every single kid.  Works for adults too.
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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2008, 02:26:39 PM »
I wish I had enough coffee in me or was lucid enough to make a good connection between this thread and the "Be Happier. Sterilize Yourself!" thread from a bit back.

Eh, no kids- no kid problems.  :aok
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2008, 03:58:53 PM »
I wish I had enough coffee in me or was lucid enough to make a good connection between this thread and the "Be Happier. Sterilize Yourself!" thread from a bit back.

Eh, no kids- no kid problems.  :aok

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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2008, 04:00:52 PM »
A pill does nothing but cover up the problem and reduce the symptoms.  Get off the high fat, empty carb diet and eat high nutrient food and exercise and it will reverse plaque build up in every single kid.  Works for adults too.

really?
every single kid?
and every adult also?
that's a pretty sweeping assertion...

Could you cite your source for this please?

While I agree that diet and exercise are extremely important, I'm not sure you can say that's all you need to do to reverse plaque formation.

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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2008, 04:03:46 PM »
A pill does nothing but cover up the problem and reduce the symptoms.  Get off the high fat, empty carb diet and eat high nutrient food and exercise and it will reverse plaque build up in every single kid.  Works for adults too.

 :aok :aok

Joker I realize its not the cure all but Exercise can be fun. Wakeboarding, hunting, hiking, farming you don't have to be an athlete to exercise. Lord knows I am far from that :rofl:aok
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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2008, 04:48:47 PM »
:aok :aok

Joker I realize its not the cure all but Exercise can be fun. Wakeboarding, hunting, hiking, farming you don't have to be an athlete to exercise. Lord knows I am far from that :rofl:aok

No question.. :aok...as I've said, I'm not debating the importance ( or the fun ) of exercise. I'm into powerlifting myself.

My point is that there are people with serious lipid abnormalities that can be treated effectively with the current crop of medications. The benefits of this are well documented. The article mentioned in the OP dealt with attempting to interdict the plaque formation process at an early age in those kids who are at high risk. Simply relying on homeopathy, lifestyle changes, nature, etc may not be enough to prevent these high risk individuals from going on to suffer from heart disease at a relatively young age.
If my kids ( or grandkids...lol ) had these lipid problems, I would ensure that their diet was healthy and that they were exercising frequently.
If that was not successful I wouldn't hesitate to get them on medical therapy for the problem.

Reading some of these posts shows that there are quite a few here who believe that ONLY good diet and adequate exercise will completely prevent this disease. That is not the case.
The folks who warn of the vile medications are generally glad to take them after that first heart attack.

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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2008, 04:57:55 PM »
My point is that there are people with serious lipid abnormalities that can be treated effectively with the current crop of medications. The benefits of this are well documented. The article mentioned in the OP dealt with attempting to interdict the plaque formation process at an early age in those kids who are at high risk. Simply relying on homeopathy, lifestyle changes, nature, etc may not be enough to prevent these high risk individuals from going on to suffer from heart disease at a relatively young age.
If my kids ( or grandkids...lol ) had these lipid problems, I would ensure that their diet was healthy and that they were exercising frequently.
If that was not successful I wouldn't hesitate to get them on medical therapy for the problem.
 
:aok I have had a problem my whole life being 6'1" and 300lbs and raising 6 kids with the same genes as me. I know that if they sit still they will want to. The medical problems can only be fixed with medication but for me and my kids that are between normal and having a medical problem, we have to work hard or risk having serious medical problems.  :aok
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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2008, 05:19:54 PM »
Did y'all see that movie Wall-E... where everyone's humungo & sits 24-7 in those recliner chairs?  That must be the image of our children & children's children to these guys who are recommending this.  And you're right.  They must not also have any children of their own.  Mine don't stop moving from the time they wake up until the time they go to sleep, save a few minutes sitting at the table for each meal.  Even then... it's mostly planning with their brothers on what activity they'll be completing after the meal-break. 

How about substitute a bicycle for that pill... & some healthy meals at the table during their break-times. :)

sad to say TexasMom they are now giving out pills for how you describe your kids, mine are the same.

 ADD, or what not, its bull crap,

this is the Happymeal society, people are lazy, they want the teachers to teach them about the fundamentals of life, so they can say its someone else's fault.
they say you should not spank your kids (to me thats the biggest horse crap),
they let the TV teach them the facts of life, truly we are on a down ward spiral.
than again maybe its just me.

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Re: Give a kid a pill.
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2008, 05:33:47 PM »
really?
every single kid?
and every adult also?
that's a pretty sweeping assertion...

Could you cite your source for this please?

While I agree that diet and exercise are extremely important, I'm not sure you can say that's all you need to do to reverse plaque formation.

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Read "Eat to Live" by Dr. Joel Fuhrman, follow it and see if I'm not right.

What you consider a healthy diet may not be healthy enough to reverse some cases of heart disease.
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