Most under-rated fighter?

[Angus]

I would think it's the C.202.
(I take it light with only the heavy MG's and give the 109 and Spit drivers a nightmare )

[valdals]

ki-61

[SlapShot]

The "Wildcat" gets no respect ... and that's ok by me.

[SmokinLoon]

I think the FM2 because of its four .50 cals and lackluster speed.  However, it can whip a cookie and be on your six in the blink of an eye, much like the zeke and Hurricane. 

I'm trying to learn it, but with only four .50 guns, I think it is my aiming that needs the most honing. 

[BigPlay]

i have killed so many p-38s, ya its a good plane in its role, but why any one would try to turn fight my hurri in a 38 is  beyond me.

now im not saying you cant kill my hurri in a 38, heck ya you can if you use it right, but most don't, they think for some reason they can out turn it.
and 99% of them die.

I will put my money on the well flown 38, all a Hurricane can do better is turn, climb rate speed aren't even close and if Schuffler, Twinboom or any of the other uber 38 pilots are looking down on your Hurri than prepare to die. All of them are master B&Zers and that all they really have to do.

[waystin2]

P-38.

I would say the Spit 16! 

On a more serious note, I would say the LA-5.

[Saxman]

I would say the Spit 16!

No one's started the OVER-rated fighter thread yet.

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I will put my money on the well flown 38, all a Hurricane can do better is turn, climb rate speed aren't even close and if Schuffler, Twinboom or any of the other uber 38 pilots are looking down on your Hurri than prepare to die. All of them are master B&Zers and that all they really have to do.

well put your money on the 38,chances are you would lose it!!

but like i said it can kill the hurri if used properly "the ol boring BnZ"  but i have learned to avoid quite well and all it takes is a couple rounds in that flimsy tail of the 38, as they run scared by,plus if we are at the same alt, then they really are gonna eat some lead.
the hurri can do more than just turn, it can dive to over 400 MPH in control.

you bring that hurri up to 10 to 13 k,  it will kill anything. IF the person who is controlling said hurri knows how to conserve his E

i have gone back and looked at my "kills of" i always have close to twice as many killz on the 38 to deaths to it, not only that but some tours i have no deaths to but yet still killed a bunch of them. it just so happens one tour i flew the hurri exclusively, and i killed 12 L's and 3 J's, with no deaths from ether.

now i certainly don't fly with the Hourde, i fly alone and i am always out numbered(although it has been awhile) so even if i did get killed by a 38, good chance i was picked off someone else's 6.

 

[Xasthur]

I think the FM2 because of its four .50 cals and lackluster speed.  However, it can whip a cookie and be on your six in the blink of an eye, much like the zeke and Hurricane. 

I'm trying to learn it, but with only four .50 guns, I think it is my aiming that needs the most honing. 

More often than not, if I allow a FM2 to get behind me with enough speed to stay behind.... game over.

The FM2 is deadly provided it comes in with a solid amount of E.

[Ack-Ack]

well put your money on the 38,chances are you would lose it!!

but like i said it can kill the hurri if used properly "the ol boring BnZ"  but i have learned to avoid quite well and all it takes is a couple rounds in that flimsy tail of the 38, as they run scared by,plus if we are at the same alt, then they really are gonna eat some lead.
the hurri can do more than just turn, it can dive to over 400 MPH in control.

you bring that hurri up to 10 to 13 k,  it will kill anything. IF the person who is controlling said hurri knows how to conserve his E

i have gone back and looked at my "kills of" i always have close to twice as many killz on the 38 to deaths to it, not only that but some tours i have no deaths to but yet still killed a bunch of them. it just so happens one tour i flew the hurri exclusively, and i killed 12 L's and 3 J's, with no deaths from ether.

now i certainly don't fly with the Hourde, i fly alone and i am always out numbered(although it has been awhile) so even if i did get killed by a 38, good chance i was picked off someone else's 6.

 

BigPlay is right, against a good P-38 stick, the Hurricane is no match.  The only way the P-38 driver will lose is if he screws up.  Remember, while the Hurricane might be able to reach 400mph in a dive, the P-38 can hit 450+ and still retain control.  The P-38 can disengage at will and dictate the fight, something the Hurricane can't do unless it starts off with a rather generous altitude advantage.

All the P-38 has to do is keep the fight in the vertical using either BnZ or vertical turns (high yo-yo, etc) to work an angle.  The only real thing a Hurricane can do is do hard break turns or hope for an over shoot for a brief snap shot.  Unfortunetly for the Hurricane driver, that is exactly what the experienced P-38 driver is wishing for.  If you hard break turn, all the P-38 driver needs to do is go into a High Yo-Yo and come down into your turn for the shot.  If you try and go and force an overshoot, the P-38 driver just needs to extend past guns range and then pull up into the vertical and come back down and get the shot on your slow lumbering Hurricane.

It's really silly to expect a P-38 to get into a luftberry turn fight with a Hurricane and not use its strengths to counter the only strength the Hurricane has.

Face the facts, the P-38 completely outclasses the Hurricane. 


ack-ack

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BigPlay is right, against a good P-38 stick, the Hurricane is no match.  The only way the P-38 driver will lose is if he screws up.  Remember, while the Hurricane might be able to reach 400mph in a dive, the P-38 can hit 450+ and still retain control.  The P-38 can disengage at will and dictate the fight, something the Hurricane can't do unless it starts off with a rather generous altitude advantage.

All the P-38 has to do is keep the fight in the vertical using either BnZ or vertical turns (high yo-yo, etc) to work an angle.  The only real thing a Hurricane can do is do hard break turns or hope for an over shoot for a brief snap shot.  Unfortunetly for the Hurricane driver, that is exactly what the experienced P-38 driver is wishing for.  If you hard break turn, all the P-38 driver needs to do is go into a High Yo-Yo and come down into your turn for the shot.  If you try and go and force an overshoot, the P-38 driver just needs to extend past guns range and then pull up into the vertical and come back down and get the shot on your slow lumbering Hurricane.

It's really silly to expect a P-38 to get into a luftberry turn fight with a Hurricane and not use its strengths to counter the only strength the Hurricane has.

Face the facts, the P-38 completely outclasses the Hurricane. 


ack-ack

yup i think i said they can kill the hurri already but, i find 38s very easy to kill. and i do mean EASY, if i had good gunnery and wasn't such a BADSHOT i would probably never die to a 38 in a 1vs1.

[SPKmes]

Hey SPKmes,

Where in Auckland you from? I'm originially from out west Waitakeres.

Back to topic, everyone knows the Yak-9T is the sniper and most under-rated/under-estimated fighter. All others are just uber girly planes with little guns. 


<S>...-Gixer

Started out in the south for the first 10 years (Weymouth, Manurewa) and been on the shore since then. Albany at present. West wiataks ....is that Piha or were you a full on westie .

Just to add this is another Gixer and his yak (haven't run into you lately though) And if I could get lead right it would be my ride of choice.

[BigPlay]

yup i think i said they can kill the hurri already but, i find 38s very easy to kill. and i do mean EASY, if i had good gunnery and wasn't such a BADSHOT i would probably never die to a 38 in a 1vs1.

With  those 4 20mm's I totally agree. Hurri cannons are lethal but like AckAck explained, there's nothing a guy can do in a hurri against a well flown 38. In fact  in my opinion there's not much most planes can do against a well flown 38. Their climb rate is better than most planes and better than all with the MW plane selection. Trust me when I tell you that I'm probably the most frustrated guy when it comes to the 38 brotherhood. When I do get on a 38's six the rear cross section is so small it's hard to land shots  on them and even when you get an engine smoking or a fuel leak it generally means nothing. They just leave for home.

[Guppy35]

yup i think i said they can kill the hurri already but, i find 38s very easy to kill. and i do mean EASY, if i had good gunnery and wasn't such a BADSHOT i would probably never die to a 38 in a 1vs1.

Remember that you are talking about yourself in a Hurri IIc.  Obviously it's your bird of choice and you fight with it to it's strengths.  Expecting a P38 pilot who knows what he's doing to fly his 38 to the Hurri II's strengths is silly.  Not too hard to figure out that a slow turn fight with a Hurri is a bad place to be in a 38.  Not that I don't try in my old 38G on occasion to see how far I can push it

There are a lot of folks out there who fly Ls in particular to haul ord.  Most of them have no idea what a 38 can do and end up dying in it because they do things like turn fight a Hurri. 

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Remember that you are talking about yourself in a Hurri IIc.  Obviously it's your bird of choice and you fight with it to it's strengths.  Expecting a P38 pilot who knows what he's doing to fly his 38 to the Hurri II's strengths is silly.  Not too hard to figure out that a slow turn fight with a Hurri is a bad place to be in a 38.  Not that I don't try in my old 38G on occasion to see how far I can push it

There are a lot of folks out there who fly Ls in particular to haul ord.  Most of them have no idea what a 38 can do and end up dying in it because they do things like turn fight a Hurri. 

i absolutely agree, the 38 doing what it was supposed to do is GREAT,  i have flown the 38 and have gotten killz in them, but ultimately I am a turn fighter, that is why i fly the Hurri, i use to pissoff a buddy of mine  because i would only fly the Zero, but i got sick of how easy it goes up in flames once i tried the Hurri2c, it was a perfect match up for what i very much enjoy doing, that is flying to the biggest red dar, and finding as many bad guys as i can, and seeing how long i will last, and how many i can take with me, so far my best is 7 attacking me, 7 killz, against spits, niks, and i think a 38.
i just gotta get this targeting thing down, after  6 years i still suk at shooting