Most under-rated fighter?

[TwinBoom]

yup i think i said they can kill the hurri already but, i find 38s very easy to kill. and i do mean EASY, if i had good gunnery and wasn't such a BADSHOT i would probably never die to a 38 in a 1vs1.

sounds like ur killing ord porkers and not facing 38 sticks. Im a tnb fighter in my 38g ill out turn hurris
you can ask mace we have some great fights and i think mace prolly one of the best woobicane sticks out there.
next to GRIM
Sounds like ur abit pompus too me no offense.................TB

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This is a rubbish statement. It totally depends on what plane you are flying at the time.

And have you even faced a good 38 stick?

ah gee let me think about that, 6 years in AH,

nope never fought any good 38 sticks.... Doh

i only use to fight one of the best(the individual who introduced me to AH) and killed him every time we engaged. him in his 38 me in the hurri. this was about 6 years ago mind you, so any time you want me to give you a lession on how to die against a hurri in a 38, you just let me know.  

well actually that would be a little hard right now seeings how i am not currently in the skies of AH, there is always the 8 player LAN.
 but don't you worry i will soon be in the skies again, the addiction is too much for me.

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sounds like ur killing ord porkers and not facing 38 sticks. Im a tnb fighter in my 38g ill out turn hurris
you can ask mace we have some great fights and i think mace prolly one of the best woobicane sticks out there.
next to GRIM
Sounds like ur abit pompus too me no offense.................TB(Image removed from quote.)

ya i am a bit pompus, (no offense taken)
and no i fight mostly at TT,and if TT isn't available i find the biggest red dar. any one who has flown against me knows this full well.

and the hurris you have "out turned" in the 38, chances are you were slower (i know seems impossible)
but if you know how this game is and Twin i would expect you do, the slower plane will always out turn the faster plane, NO 38 will sustain a tighter turn radius than a hurri, and for anyone to  say it can(not saying you did), proves how ignorant that person is.

[BnZ]

The Hurricane was considered obselete before the war even started, and was replaced ASAP.

The P-38, while designed in the late 30s, was a formidable front-line fighter 'till the end of the war.

The P-38 in the PTO owned the Japanese Zero, an airplane which did almost everything the Hurricane could and did it better.

Which is to say, if it is so easy to kill a P-38 with a Hurri (which it may very well be!), then there is something very messed up going on in AHII (and there may very well be!).

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The Hurricane was considered obselete before the war even started, and was replaced ASAP.

The P-38, while designed in the late 30s, was a formidable front-line fighter 'till the end of the war.

The P-38 in the PTO owned the Japanese Zero, an airplane which did almost everything the Hurricane could and did it better.

Which is to say, if it is so easy to kill a P-38 with a Hurri (which it may very well be!), then there is something very messed up going on in AHII (and there may very well be!).

i think what happens is allot of 38 (or most sticks that don't fly it) drivers just don't have respect for the Hurri, (as you said it was obsolete at the beginning of the war) they think the hurri driver is just gonna HO them,
i have come to understand my plane, i know exactly what it is capable of, at all Alt, at all speeds, and i willfully put my self into a situation, to test myself, to push my boundaries to become the best that I can become in the plane that i very much enjoy flying.in the Game that i also enjoy very much.
     

[Gixer]

but if you know how this game is and Twin i would expect you do, the slower plane will always out turn the faster plane, NO 38 will sustain a tighter turn radius than a hurri, and for anyone to  say it can(not saying you did), proves how ignorant that person is.

"slower plane will always out turn the faster plane"

Now that's an ignorant statement. The faster plane will always outturn the slower plane as it can easily use vertical and will dictate the fight. The slower plane is a kill. Sustained tight turn radius isn't worth squat either. I'll take roll,acceleration and climb rate any day.


<S>...-Gixer

[Ack-Ack]

nope never fought any good 38 sticks.... Doh

The questions isn't so much isn't if you fought any good P-38 sticks but what is your winning record against said P-38 sticks?  

ack-ack

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"slower plane will always out turn the faster plane"

Now that's an ignorant statement. The faster plane will always outturn the slower plane as it can easily use vertical and will dictate the fight. The slower plane is a kill. Sustained tight turn radius isn't worth squat either. I'll take roll,acceleration and climb rate any day.


<S>...-Gixer

i am not referring to the planes potential speed i am referring to the speed of the relative planes at the time of engagement.
 in other words, if i am doing 400 in my hurri dropping out of the sky, i attack a low and slow 38, that 38 will be able to out turn my hurri for a few turns, until my speed drops down to my optimum turn speed.
 
I hope that was easier to understand.

and if you still think the faster plane will out turn the slower plane, well maybe someone else can clue you in.

[BnZ]

and if you still think the faster plane will out turn the slower plane, well maybe someone else can clue you in.

A plane far enough below corner speed has a lower rate of turn and larger radius than one with abit more airspeed.

However, this may not be useful information, since I think you would have to bleed the Hurri down to 23mph or so before it starts to not turn so well, and this carries practical difficulties.

[humble]

The questions isn't so much isn't if you fought any good P-38 sticks but what is your winning record against said P-38 sticks?  

ack-ack

It's evident by his statements that he's got little if any experience vs anyone who can really fly the 38 well. Even the G will dominate a hurricane one on one if its well flown. Now personally I do feel the hurricane is the ultimate "dweeb" ride in the game, far beyond its historical capabilities (which explains why its ENY is so low). That aside a 38 (or any plane) with a suitable advantage in sustained E state is more or less immune to a hurricane. As a general rule I view the hurricane as dead meat even if I'm in an A-20...

[Gixer]

i am not referring to the planes potential speed i am referring to the speed of the relative planes at the time of engagement.
 in other words, if i am doing 400 in my hurri dropping out of the sky, i attack a low and slow 38, that 38 will be able to out turn my hurri for a few turns, until my speed drops down to my optimum turn speed.
 
I hope that was easier to understand.

and if you still think the faster plane will out turn the slower plane, well maybe someone else can clue you in.

Let me help clue you in, turn rate isn't an advantage unless your against noobs or planes that are low and out of E. If you drop down out of the sky and I pull a turn then you deserve a easy kill no matter if your in a good turner or not. However I would never turn against a plane dropping down on me and always use rolls, once E states were equal or I have E advantage I'd then  dictate the fight on my terms if you haven't already over shot.

Faster plane will always outturn the slower plane using a Hi or Low Yo Yo. Or just verticle,roll and dropping down. Sustained turn rate is also useless against a plane with a faster initial turn.

I hope that is easier for you to understand.

<S>...-Gixer

[Furball]

The Hurricane was considered obselete before the war even started, and was replaced ASAP.

   no it wasn't, the Hurricane was one of the most advanced fighters in the world and only really started seeing its age when the 109F was introduced, then it became a seriously good ground attack aircraft.

If it was obselete before the war, like the Blenheim, Battle, Defiant and Gladiator.... 14,000 of them wouldn't have been made - only 16,000 or so Mustangs were built, not bad for a 1939 'obselete' aircraft.

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It's evident by his statements that he's got little if any experience vs anyone who can really fly the 38 well. Even the G will dominate a hurricane one on one if its well flown. Now personally I do feel the hurricane is the ultimate "dweeb" ride in the game, far beyond its historical capabilities (which explains why its ENY is so low). That aside a 38 (or any plane) with a suitable advantage in sustained E state is more or less immune to a hurricane. As a general rule I view the hurricane as dead meat even if I'm in an A-20...

thats funny, im gonna double quote ya

 "that aside a 38 (or any plane) with a suitable advantage in sustained E state is more or less immune to a hurricane"   
 
you need that advantage to kill a hurri ?  is this how you fight only when you have a "suitable" advantage? 

you say that the Hurri is "ultimate dweeb ride" but than you say that you find them "dead meat even in a, A-20", ummm kinda contradicting to me. 

usually any plane with a "suitable" advantage with a good stick at the controls, can take out any plane flown by an experienced stick.


see it seems unlike you, i like to fight from the disadvantage, when i am in my Hurri i am at a automatic disadvantage, due to the lack of speed, the inability to hold my E, or gain E back, and then when i place myself at an even more disadvantage by flying solo in the late war MA, and then even more when i only fly towards the biggest red dar. the thing is this is how i have always flown in AH , no matter what plane i was flying.

i still stand that the Hurri2c is the most under rated fighter.


   

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and Gixer,

soon i will be back in the virtual air, i will look you up, so you can test out your Yak against my hurri,

heck you can even have a "suitable" advantage

[Gixer]

and Gixer,

soon i will be back in the virtual air, i will look you up, so you can test out your Yak against my hurri,

heck you can even have a "suitable" advantage

Any time, let me know when your ready and we'll see if your still laughing.


<S>...-Gixer