Most under-rated fighter?

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Any time, let me know when your ready and we'll see if your still laughing.


<S>...-Gixer

the thing about me, you are probably gonna hate, is i hope you can kill me easy, because as i have stated, i want to become the best I can be at what i very much enjoy doing, and that's flying the Hurri, and if you cant kill me, i cant learn from ya and yes i will most certainly still be laughing, because its all fun. and we can only get better by flying against someone better.

and i was wrong i have been in AH since tour 52

[Ack-Ack]

i still stand that the Hurri2c is the most under rated fighter.


   

If it was as under rated as you claim it is, you would hardly see them in any of the arenas being flown.  Yet, in the MW it is one of the most common planes you'll see in the air and you're guaranteed to see one hovering near any base under attack.  Hardly the sign of an under rated plane.  Maybe you could press the argument that it is an under-estimated plane but not underrated.


ack-ack

[killnu]

C202

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If it was as under rated as you claim it is, you would hardly see them in any of the arenas being flown.  Yet, in the MW it is one of the most common planes you'll see in the air and you're guaranteed to see one hovering near any base under attack.  Hardly the sign of an under rated plane.  Maybe you could press the argument that it is an under-estimated plane but not underrated.


ack-ack

you very well may be right, but i think i've seen more spits, 51's,190's,

ether way i just checked out the stats, so far this tour Hurri 2c
3156 killz of all models
2226 all models have killz against hurri

with these numbers i would think they were not underrated, or underestimated,
now the spit 16
11086 kills of all models
9652   all models killz against spit

now the p-51D
11821 killz by 51D
10682 killz of 51D

now the N1K
10432 killz by N1K
8054 killz of N1K

i checked those particular planes out because they are always the top deaths and killz of in my stats.
looking at those numbers the hurri is way less flown.

ether way i enjoy flying the hurri and certainly will not stop flying it, i may fly the other fighters, but i always come back to the hurri, its what i do best in, and its the only one i can consistently hit my targets in.


i checked out the LA7 for chits and giggles

16313 of killz
15586 of deaths

[SlapShot]

ah gee let me think about that, 6 years in AH

I am going into my 7th year flying AH and until last year, I never heard of you. What other game IDs did you fly under during the past 6 years ?

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thats funny, im gonna double quote ya

 "that aside a 38 (or any plane) with a suitable advantage in sustained E state is more or less immune to a hurricane"   
 
you need that advantage to kill a hurri ?  is this how you fight only when you have a "suitable" advantage? 

you say that the Hurri is "ultimate dweeb ride" but than you say that you find them "dead meat even in a, A-20", ummm kinda contradicting to me. 

usually any plane with a "suitable" advantage with a good stick at the controls, can take out any plane flown by an experienced stick.


see it seems unlike you, i like to fight from the disadvantage, when i am in my Hurri i am at a automatic disadvantage, due to the lack of speed, the inability to hold my E, or gain E back, and then when i place myself at an even more disadvantage by flying solo in the late war MA, and then even more when i only fly towards the biggest red dar. the thing is this is how i have always flown in AH , no matter what plane i was flying.

i still stand that the Hurri2c is the most under rated fighter.

From your comments you obviously dont know much about me or much about aircombat/ACM either....and actually very little about the hurricane. There is no question at all the hurricane is deadly when well flown, its hardly underestimated. More players will leave it alone then almost any other plane IMO. IMO its about the most overmodeled plane in AH in many aspects....

So yes, the proper way to engage and beat a hurricane is with fundementaly sound E fighting tactics and use of the verticals. Accordingly a plane like a 38 (or A-20) when well flown has the ability to control the flight. In the end the hurricane inevitably creates a vertical two circle fight relying on vertical front quarter shots vs a skilled opponent. At this point the fight has devolved to a cat and mouse "golden BB" fight by the hurricane vs a need for a relatively mistake free attack from the aggressor due to the hurricanes stability at high AOA and insane zoom capabilities/e retention. To me the hurricane is one of the few planes I can safely label a "target" when I'm in an A-20 (this is assuming co-e and a tactically sound position). From my experience many if not most (and yes there are notable exceptions) hurricane drivers are very ACM deficient (much worse then the average spitty driver).

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I am going into my 7th year flying AH and until last year, I never heard of you. What other game IDs did you fly under during the past 6 years ?

i was wrong, i started out in tour 52(under my own account before that i flew under the guy who brought me here Jozepi, not sure for how long), i was Usurper, back then, than i took on the name INK, joined the Bops, once i left them, i took on the name JETSOM.

and if you remember Jozepi he flew the 38 almost exclusively.

i don't remember if we have ever fought in the MA?

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i was wrong, i started out in tour 52(under my own account before that i flew under the guy who brought me here Jozepi, not sure for how long), i was Usurper, back then, than i took on the name INK, joined the Bops, once i left them, i took on the name JETSOM.

and if you remember Jozepi he flew the 38 almost exclusively.

i don't remember if we have ever fought in the MA?

Taking a very quick look it appears your mostly an la-7/hurricane/spit driver (looking at tours 74-77) with a pretty average k/d at best for those plane types. Obviously numbers/statistics are rarely capable of giving a completely accurate picture but the pattern shows you to be in planes generally considered to be among the more popular with average sticks.

To give you a comparision my "numbers" in an A-20 (flown as a fighter) are generally on par with yours in a hurricane...

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From your comments you obviously dont know much about me or much about aircombat/ACM either....and actually very little about the hurricane. There is no question at all the hurricane is deadly when well flown, its hardly underestimated. More players will leave it alone then almost any other plane IMO. IMO its about the most overmodeled plane in AH in many aspects....

So yes, the proper way to engage and beat a hurricane is with fundementaly sound E fighting tactics and use of the verticals. Accordingly a plane like a 38 (or A-20) when well flown has the ability to control the flight. In the end the hurricane inevitably creates a vertical two circle fight relying on vertical front quarter shots vs a skilled opponent. At this point the fight has devolved to a cat and mouse "golden BB" fight by the hurricane vs a need for a relatively mistake free attack from the aggressor due to the hurricanes stability at high AOA and insane zoom capabilities/e retention. To me the hurricane is one of the few planes I can safely label a "target" when I'm in an A-20 (this is assuming co-e and a tactically sound position). From my experience many if not most (and yes there are notable exceptions) hurricane drivers are very ACM deficient (much worse then the average spitty driver).

i don't know how much the Hurri is "over modeled" or if its not, I've never flown one in the RW, heck I've never even been in a plane in the RW,

nope I have no clue who you are except from these boards, I don't think we have ever fought, if we did, you would know full well I know my plane,(not only do i know my plane but I know every plane in AH) you may win a 1vs1 or not, but you would know you were in a fight, and win or lose on my end, I would give you a <S>, for me there is nothing better in AH then a drag out, blood pumping, palm sweating fight. whether its 1vs1 or 1vs how ever many.

and just because i don't use correct terminology, does not mean i don't know ACM.

and you are right, the Hurri2c in the right hands is one of, if not, the Deadliest plane in the game.

[BigPlay]

From your comments you obviously dont know much about me or much about aircombat/ACM either....and actually very little about the hurricane. There is no question at all the hurricane is deadly when well flown, its hardly underestimated. More players will leave it alone then almost any other plane IMO. IMO its about the most overmodeled plane in AH in many aspects....

So yes, the proper way to engage and beat a hurricane is with fundementaly sound E fighting tactics and use of the verticals. Accordingly a plane like a 38 (or A-20) when well flown has the ability to control the flight. In the end the hurricane inevitably creates a vertical two circle fight relying on vertical front quarter shots vs a skilled opponent. At this point the fight has devolved to a cat and mouse "golden BB" fight by the hurricane vs a need for a relatively mistake free attack from the aggressor due to the hurricanes stability at high AOA and insane zoom capabilities/e retention. To me the hurricane is one of the few planes I can safely label a "target" when I'm in an A-20 (this is assuming co-e and a tactically sound position). From my experience many if not most (and yes there are notable exceptions) hurricane drivers are very ACM deficient (much worse then the average spitty driver).

I have to agree here, most Hurri's are flown by people that have little ACM knowledge or if they do get sucked into not using it. I very rarely see a Hurri past up a chance to HO even with E, alt advantage. I don't fly planes that can compete with the Hurri's abilities (over modeled abilities) with my limited flying ability so I just avoid them unless they focus their attention on someone else. Like many here have stated  the fight can be dictated most of the time by the Hurri's opponent. Many times just getting a frustrated Hurri pilot to waste gas and ammo is all you need to do and just wait till he heads for home but that Golden BB is always a big threat when fighting the Hurri. It only took one day in the game to realize to stay clear of the Hurricane so I don't see the Hurri as being overlooked or underestimated.

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Taking a very quick look it appears your mostly an la-7/hurricane/spit driver (looking at tours 74-77) with a pretty average k/d at best for those plane types. Obviously numbers/statistics are rarely capable of giving a completely accurate picture but the pattern shows you to be in planes generally considered to be among the more popular with average sticks.

To give you a comparision my "numbers" in an A-20 (flown as a fighter) are generally on par with yours in a hurricane...

yup I do like those planes, but my true love is the Hurri, and no the statistics don't give you an accurate portrayal , because they don't tell ya how that person flies whether he flies with a bunch of friendlies or vulches(which I DO NOT)or any number of "suitable advantages", I am 95% of the time outnumbered, just the way i like it. and I fight to the death, unless I am bingo. and i generally don't use the rearm pad.

so i tried to check up on your stats whats your ingame ID?

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 humble you are snaphook.

well I checked out your stats but its hard to dictate how you fly by those,

I cant remember ever fighting ya.

my last full tour was 99 with 507 killz, 412 sorties,  20 planes with killz in, granted 310 in the hurri, heck i even got two in the 38.

it shows (if I fly the way I say I do, always out numbered BLA BLA BLA,) then I am more than capable.

and no I don't lie when I describe my flying style.

[angelsandair]

P-39D

[humble]

I tend to be a loner unless we're flying squad ops. Normally I'll up from bases under attack or fly where the numbers are skewed against my side (but not always). More often then not I'm in an A-20 or a P-39D but I fly everything from time to time. Overall I'm a good but not great stick...I tend to be a pretty good E fighter and decent angles fighter but not an "uber" dueler. I'm one of those folks who views the game as pilot dependent...I can probably beat 70% of the player base one on one in an A-20. The flip side is that most of the folks who can/do wup up on me (lets say the top 10%) are capable of doing it regardless of what I'm flying...so the fights with that "middle band" of 20% or so are the ones I fly for....where the other guy handles himself well enough to be a challenge but where I can work the combination of relative plane strengths and tactics to eek out a win.

The simple realities are that there are some guys you just dont want to catch, statistically I get to be the bat more often then not, but I spend plenty of time getting my cover knocked off as well

[BigPlay]

I'll second that, Snaphook flies the A-20 very very well and I have personally witnessed him kill a pleura of different aircraft flown by some decent sticks. I have fallen to his guns on many occasions which means nothing cause " I SUCK" but he does kill 80% of the guys he fights.