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Offline Dichotomy

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2008, 06:15:49 PM »
I may be accidentally stirring the pot here but if I log on, regardless of time, and there's nobody on is trying a one man deep penetration NOE strike against the spirit of the rules?

Serious question because I've thought about it a few times.

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2008, 06:20:48 PM »
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I understand what you are saying Stampf. It took me a minute to fully get it. A little slow on the uptake.  :D

I had to change my post after realizing it.  :uhoh
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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2008, 06:31:03 PM »
Stampf said- It's when the all encompassing win at all costs mentality reers it's ugly head, then the Staff needs to do something to keep the Arena breathing.

everyone needs to look at eachother as AvA Pilots.  Not Axis, or Allied ones.  When one is so absorbed in winning, everything that someone from the other side does, says, posts, whatever, is seen as coming from the "enemy".  Their are no real enemies here, other than the ones we create ourselves.  If their were no Allies, there would be no Axis, and vica versa, if you follow my thoughts here, and I know that you  ( and your unit) personally do.  Each side needs to police and educate their members to the importance of looking at this as a team effort.

One team, regardless of the markings on the wings.


I don't think  concern for the health of the arena could be put any better. Competition is one thing, but getting to the point where you're actually looking at your opponents as real enemies in of all things a computer game... That's where the arena will go South. The game has much more to offer than running around killing Strat targets which are the least defended targets in the game, and then crowing about it. Or communicating contempt for the guys flying other side. It's just as Stampf said if there's no Axis, there's no need for Allies, if there's no Allies, there's no need for Axis. This is the only arena that offers Axis vs Allied airframes every day, we should all do what we can to make it more fun for everybody that wants to participate in the arena.

Not just one side, not just one preference in gameplay.


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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2008, 06:40:12 PM »
**Bowing out **

The last thing I wanted was for this to turn this way. I just wanted to clarify Rules of Engagement.

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2008, 06:49:38 PM »
Well put Stampf, and I concure completely.
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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2008, 06:51:08 PM »
I may be accidentally stirring the pot here but if I log on, regardless of time, and there's nobody on is trying a one man deep penetration NOE strike against the spirit of the rules?

Serious question because I've thought about it a few times.

Staff?

And a good one, that is also directly related to Chem's questions.

Look guys.  Short of closing the Arena (which will not happen), on off hours, some one is always going to be the first guy on.  Someone has to get the ball rolling right?  I don't have a problem with a guy playing alone until others join in.  I believe the Conduct Guidelines were installed to dissuade the less than upper handed actions that can take place at times.  Mostly and foremost they were installed in an effort to bring the Arena out of the slums and reduce the personal attacks and intimidation of players that was taking place.  To this end, it has been a huge success.  Also, during weeks that regular old AvA setups are running, the "unopposed guidelines" will be moot.  If no one is complaing about your actions, have at it, play the game.  But let's avoid mass unnopposed operations that effectively shut down the arena for one side.  No "victory" is worth anything against no opposition, right?

Also, bear with me guys as I am wading through this just like all of you.  Everyone wanted a greater Staff pressence in the Arena and on the bbs.  I am trying my best here to answer questions accuratly, timely, and fairly.  

I suggested "supply runs" to the Axis guys who found themselves alone in the Arena.  Now that's boring work, agreed.  Up a Jabo, up a bomber if you want.  Take things easy and move forward knowing this is a somewhat grey area when splitting hairs between one player, or two players etc...Thats really the best I can offer guys.  I am attempting to offer a reasonable explanation for most circumstances.  Everyone knows what constitutes gamey, lame or downright poor game play.  I can't give an answer for every possible scenario.  I think we all know who does what, why, when, and for what reasons.  I am offering my interpretaions here. Pinning me down for a black and white blanket answer to all situations is unfair, and un realistic.  I am here for everyone, both sides, and will do my best to be present, knowlegable, and fair.

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2008, 06:56:42 PM »
wow stampf...for a staff member you sure put that into simple terms that even I could understand. I agree and back ya up on it all.

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2008, 07:27:28 PM »
Thank you mon commandant  :aok
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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2008, 07:27:52 PM »
 :aok

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2008, 08:32:24 PM »
Said I was done but.

supply runs are great if the settings are where something will actually happen which does not seem to be the case right now.

My biggest issues is the settings. I am not talking about the weather. I am talking about resupply and down times. I would be satisfied if we could just be informed of what they are and when they are changed. We need to know ahead of each round so we can make good picks rather just guessing on what they are.

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2008, 08:43:30 PM »
Okay....I REALLY dont want to stir up any issues, buuuuuttt......

I have posted this issue before and had alot of opinions posted but no answers. I get some time to fly during the daytime when I am on leave. I enjoy the game and the goal oriented play and can't wait to get on the 'puter. However, it has been stated that I have been milkrunning. I dont care what other people think of me. I believe in following the rules. So, once and for all.........am I allowed to fly when I am on alone, in the arena, unopposed?



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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2008, 09:13:06 PM »
Bravo, this is the manner in which issues should be discussed and resolved.
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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2008, 11:51:21 PM »
I will take stampf's post about sending them back to early war or mid as a direct statement to me and my squad.  If I enter the arena, usually 7pm to midnite central........ considered PRIME time........ then you better defend your bases, or you will continue to loose them.  I am playing this game to win, if it takes: taking out everyone of your bases to keep you from upping, then "Defend the Damn things... RGR". Historically correct... allies didnt wait for the axis to up before they leveled a target... might as well ask for permission to hit 600 miles out.  You guys need to get a grip, quit whining because your not defending your bases, and just furballin.... The mission in AvA is to take your strats, and your abilities to fight away, and that is what I will continue to do.

Shall we converse further on this issue........................ ..........

If you think that I am the cause of all this histeria, then come out and say it.  My understanding of the arena is to make way for the bomber's, I rarely hit strats, just bases;" where they can and have the ability to defend".  SO what else can I do here, and others have the same question, shall I call on the furballer's from the axis to come over where I am heded from now on.  I am not here to take gameplay away from the axis, but it does seem that they are missing some important strategic levels of thinking in here.  So far, the axis have been pretty beat up when it comes to strategic logic, and how to apply and defend from the allies tactics the last 2 rounds.  Personally, I think if the Axis where ahead, none of this BS would be on the BBS wasting more time, instead of in game defending. 

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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2008, 12:04:59 AM »
It's 'prime time' if there are people in the arena, not just because you want it to be prime time. There are times where it's usually prime time but no one's in there- it's not really prime time in that case.

In any case, I have no clue how you could begin to call 7PM Central- 6PM Eastern- prime time. 8PM-9PM EST would be the earliest I could possibly imagine prime time being 'defined' as.

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Historically correct... allies didnt wait for the axis to up before they leveled a target... might as well ask for permission to hit 600 miles out.
If you want to get into 'historically correct', I'm 99% sure allied pilots never bailed from their aircraft or simply ran them into the ground because they realized they wouldn't be able to drop their ordinance due to being intercepted, or simply because they were done dropping it.

SO what else can I do here, and others have the same question, shall I call on the furballer's from the axis to come over where I am heded from now on.  I am not here to take gameplay away from the axis, but it does seem that they are missing some important strategic levels of thinking in here.
Axis furballers? This is about milking when no one is in the arena, not about... whatever you seem to think it's about.

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So far, the axis have been pretty beat up when it comes to strategic logic, and how to apply and defend from the allies tactics the last 2 rounds.
Looks like someone forgot that Axis won the first round.

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Personally, I think if the Axis where ahead, none of this BS would be on the BBS wasting more time, instead of in game defending.
This thread was started by an Allied player...  :huh

BTW Chemdawg you did nothing wrong by starting this thread and where it has gone is not your fault :aok
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Re: Once and for all......
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2008, 12:21:26 AM »
It is funny how you keep bringing up, are there anyone to defend.  I guess the kills registerd are UFO's from outer space or something.  Seems that we all have to argue about something... guess this will work.  I never got a kill from a undefended base,but there are a few there, but yet... milking seems to be the name of the game. Seems AvA is going to have to elect STAFF'ers to the position so we can have an even number for equal representation.... SO lets  gear up for a campaign to waste more time.
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