P51D

[Sunka]

Well I'm glad its not 5 anymore.I'm not sure if the jug N should be a 5 it is suppose to have a reputation for being tuff but spits have no problem with a few snapshots knocking it out of the air. I know it has uber ammo... but still

[BnZ]

The P-51D is quite possiby the easiest kill in the game if you have the E to run it down. (For the record, I DO NOT for a moment think this is representative on the real aircraft, so please guys, I'm not dissing the real plane or being anti-American here. I think if correctly modeled, the P-51D would actually demand a light perk price. Which may be one reason it is modeled as it is...)

Some would say the 190 is easier when caught, but I disagree, its roll rate can give you trouble for a long time when you'd have already  whacked a slow-rolling Mustang with a snap-shot. A Jug being run down will hit you with roll-rate and good slow-handling, AND monster ability to take a beating in order to force an overshoot. The P-51 is inferior to the plane it was designed to replace in all these categories.  The FW-190 is the only airplane in the set that the P-51D clearly beats in turn or slow-fighting, although not in roll, firepower, or engine performance at typical MA alts. P-51s get success in the MA by being flown by phenomenally skilled sticks, and/or by using Flying Tigers style hit-and-run tactics,(Not that there is anything wrong with that). For every other style of fighting there are loads of superior aircraft, and frankly, the P-47N, FW-190D9, and unperked Corsairs are about as good or better in the bnz role.

[Motherland]

The P-51D is quite possiby the easiest kill in the game if you have the E to run it down. (For the record, I DO NOT for a moment think this is representative on the real aircraft, so please guys, I'm not dissing the real plane or being anti-American here. I think if correctly modeled, the P-51D would actually demand a light perk price. Which may be one reason it is modeled as it is...)

I disagree. Anyone beside those who fly the P51D purely BnZ can put up quite a fight when you chase them down.

[BnZ]

I disagree. Anyone beside those who fly the P51D purely BnZ can put up quite a fight when you chase them down.

Name the fighter plane you think is easier to shoot down from a Co-E state than the P-51. I just don't see any candidates besides possibly the 190.

[Motherland]

How easy to shoot down depends WAY to much on the pilot. I don't have any easier time shooting down picktard P51's once I chase them down than 190's or Typhoons.

[Stang]

Name the fighter plane you think is easier to shoot down from a Co-E state than the P-51. I just don't see any candidates besides possibly the 190.

You must be new.

[Wingnutt]

Well I'm glad its not 5 anymore.I'm not sure if the jug N should be a 5 it is suppose to have a reputation for being tuff but spits have no problem with a few snapshots knocking it out of the air. I know it has uber ammo... but still

The N jug is in almost every respect inferior to the D40.

The M model would be a different story, it would need to be perked.

[uptown]

tell me about the M model. I've never heard of it.

[Motherland]

tell me about the M model. I've never heard of it.

It's the final P47 model of the war, it did nothing important and less were built than the Me163.

[uptown]

rgr ty, it must be the ones I see in old Korean war films.

[Motherland]

rgr ty, it must be the ones I see in old Korean war films.

I thought P47's were out of service by Korea? Weren't the only WWII a/c to serve in Korea post war versions of the P51 and the F4U, and even then as ordinance haulers?

[uptown]

Don't know, I'll have to look it up. But I'm sure I've seen old film of jugs during Korea. i watch so many shows on the Military and history channels that I may just be confused.

[Motherland]

Don't know, I'll have to look it up. But I'm sure I've seen old film of jugs during Korea. i watch so many shows on the Military and history channels that I may just be confused.

Or just misinformed... I see so much stupidly wrong information on those channels that I sometimes want to bash the screen in with a bat

[uptown]

The P-51D is quite possiby the easiest kill in the game if you have the E to run it down. (For the record, I DO NOT for a moment think this is representative on the real aircraft, so please guys, I'm not dissing the real plane or being anti-American here. I think if correctly modeled, the P-51D would actually demand a light perk price. Which may be one reason it is modeled as it is...)

Some would say the 190 is easier when caught, but I disagree, its roll rate can give you trouble for a long time when you'd have already  whacked a slow-rolling Mustang with a snap-shot. A Jug being run down will hit you with roll-rate and good slow-handling, AND monster ability to take a beating in order to force an overshoot. The P-51 is inferior to the plane it was designed to replace in all these categories.  The FW-190 is the only airplane in the set that the P-51D clearly beats in turn or slow-fighting, although not in roll, firepower, or engine performance at typical MA alts. P-51s get success in the MA by being flown by phenomenally skilled sticks, and/or by using Flying Tigers style hit-and-run tactics,(Not that there is anything wrong with that). For every other style of fighting there are loads of superior aircraft, and frankly, the P-47N, FW-190D9, and unperked Corsairs are about as good or better in the bnz role.

[BnZ]

I suppose Steve Bailey is a noob too...

Okay Stang, name the planes in LW MA that are definitely inferior to the P-51D in a Co-E dogfight?

The only sure thing IMO is the Fw-190. (The Typhoon is another possibility. It slipped my mind. Thank you for the reminder, Motherland. The Typhoon is of course worse in the roll-rate department than the Pony. As for shooting down 190s vrs. Ponys...probably you are better at hitting a snapshot on a wildly rolling and jinking craft than I am.)

and? What else?

I think there are alot of factors. I believe there is a certain amount of "tweaking" in the modeling going on to offset the massive natural popularity that planes with P in front of their name will enjoy. The P-51, according to WWII tests should, but does not in AHII, turn somewhat better than the Tempest. The Tempest turns a smaller circle with both flaps stowed and with flaps out, although in practical terms the P-51 can get its flaps down at higher speeds, allowing in my experience the P-51 to barely turn with the Tempest for a few circles-enough to get a kill, but not a decisive advantage. (In point of fact, the D9 will turn a smaller circle with full flaps. Although this is totally impractical for dogfighting, due to the Doras extremely low deployment speeds, it does show you how funky things are with the Mustang's turn radius.)

I think if the P-51 it were correct, it would be a NIGHTMARE, able to fly forever, go anywhere, catch anything with a slight dive, and to drop flaps and turn with well enough long enough that practically nothing would have much chance of dodging the fifty caliber love. Especially with its view for deflection shots. It would almost demand perking. And this in turn, might be bad for business. Can you imagine average noob signing up for his two weeks, clicking on what amounts to THE WWII plane for most Americans, and seeing "You don't have enough points for that model"? Lead to horrible turnover.

And the P-38 by all accounts was even more nightmarish than the Mustang...