Bailing without reason...(more dweeb talk)

[Terror]

This has happened to me several times in the last few days.  First time was the worst.  
Here's the first story....

A flight of DWEEBSTER high (I mean HIGH) B17s are spotted heading toward our radar near F9.  They are more than 50 miles out, so I decide to give them something to think about, so I plane a P38 and start my long climb.  After what seems like an eternity, I am approaching 30K ft and think to myself "They can't be higher than this."  Welp, I'm wrong.  I see the dots heading my way and see they are STILL higher than me.  Auto-climb back on....wait wait wait.  I am unable to stop the bombers from dropping their eggs, but since I'm already up here I decide to get a bit of revenge.  The bombers split up after their drop, so I pick out a single bomber and setup on a parallel heading East to try to get in front of the now running bomber.  Still climbing, the Altimeter reads 36.5K ft.  I finally get co-altitude (38.4K) to make a run, but on my turn I loose more altitude than I expect and the run turns dry.  I didn't even get to take a shot.  So I line  up parallel to try again.  I now notice that the bomber is loosing some altitude. "Good", I think, "I might actually have a chance at downing this bomber."  Another 5 minutes of climbing and I finally decide to try another run.  I turn Head-On to the bomber and I'm now closing fast at 8.0K yds in front of the bomber.  Then out of the blue at around 5.0K yds, the bomber pilot bails!  No kill is awarded.  Now, of course, this causes me to let out a couple of four letter words.  So I shoot the only thing left for me to shoot:  A free falling body with the words "CHUTE" above it.  The pilot promptly broadcasts "Nice chute kill".  Which starts a common channel debate on who was dweebier, the bailing pilot or the chute killer.  The pilot  does state that he was out of fuel, but I reply to him that from 35K+ ft, a B17 could have glided anywhere on the map.  (We were directly over the "Crater".)  Now what is the call here?  Should I have let him bail un-molested?  Should I have given up at 33K ft?  Am I a SUPERDWEEB...(I believe I have admitted to this elsewhere)?    

On to the second story...

This one is easy.  I spot a low unescorted C47 and dive for a run on him.  Before I get close enough the pilot promptly bails...no shots fired.  What I have to say to this is.."Get some balls.  If you are gonna fly a C47, be man enough to die in a C47."

Ok enough of this %@*$ long post...

Aaron "Terror" Edwards

PS.  These are just two of many similar stories...


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[blur]

Shoot 'em.

[Pongo]

Agree with you on first post(betcha his buddies had enough gas to land...), 50-50 on second one...at least go for the ditch..but of course in either scenario open season on chutes.

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The Wrecking Crew

[delta]

Terror,

Bailing without reason has a historical precedence.

I am reading a book about and partially by Bud Anderson.  (P-51 triple ace in WW-II in case one is not familiar)

He tells the story about one time he happen to see a 190 or 109 dive in and take shoots at a group of bombers.  He dove after the German fighter, caught up with him, was about to get into gun range.  He had just started to cock the 51's guns, when to his amazement, the German pilot just bailed.
Anderson did not fire a single shot.

Turns out, Germane fighter production has been put literally underground.  This was sometime in '44.  Germany was not hurting for fighter planes cause the underground factories were not being hit (This is also partially the reason why the allies went after ball bearings and oil.)

They were hurting for good and experience pilots.  German pilots had been told/ordered to "save themselfs" and to hell with the hardware.

I was probably as surprised at reading this as Anderson was at experiencing it.

Of course in AH, everything is virtual.

So maybe all dweeb pilots have orders to "save themselfs"

Don't forget, a bail counts as a death.

delta

[Kieren]

Ususally, chutes are safe from me. However, vultchers die to the guns if they bail. So will any con I have to spend the time climbing 35K to get. Sorry, but there are exceptions to every rule.  

[mx22]

I'll say there is nothign wrong with shooting a chute. If you feel like it, go ahead and do it. I personally would care less if I'm being killed in chute. Of course, some might care, but if I'm in a "hunting" mood too bad for them.
Now on to the above cases. There is always will be someone who'll bail out before guns start fire. The only solution I can see is to award kills to nearest enemy plane when pilot bails out.

mx22

[Westy]

 Shoot the chute.

[Mox]

Kill them both in their shoots!

The buff pilot is a SUPERDWEEB for flying that high in the first place and he became a complete lamer when he bailed just so you couldn't get a kill.

The C47 should have at least tried to ditch.

Mox
The Wrecking Crew

[funked]

Actually there are quite a few accounts of pilots doing this in real life as Delta points out.

And there are quite a few accounts of pilots shooting parachutists in real life.

Where's the problem?

[ezrust]

People are going to play the game however they want and if you get involved with someone who bails so they don't get killed just take it in stride.  No need to cuss on the open channel at them.  I don't really like the scoring system in AH so I simply keep my own score.  If I shoot out a guy's engine and he ditches in enemy territory I mark it as a kill.  If I was chasing a bomber and he bailied out before I fired a shot I would simply mark it as a kill and keep hunting.  "Kills"  seemed to be awarded for the destruction of the machine.  You still got a kill if the pilot bailed out and lived.  You still got a kill if he ditched his flaming wreck and walked home.
This won't help you if you are trying to compete on the official score pages at AH but it'll save some aggrevation about dweebs "gaming the game".

[Duckwing6]

heheh if he's bailing at 35K and opens his Chute i say LET HIM LIVE MUhahahwhahahahhwha

[Kieren]

While I agree, I'm not about to let some guy who has intentionally drug me miles off a fight to just jump. You have to respond to buffs patrolling, as they can gut you if you don't. Some guys know this, and use it as a tactic to draw you off a fight. I rather imagine turning his snicker into a whine.  

[Rocket]

I like Duck's idea myself. If he is 35k and bails I will buzz by and see if chute is open, if so have a nice LOOOOOOOOOONG float pal!        If not then I will help him replane as fast as I can come around and bring me guns to bare    

S!

Rocket

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[Ripsnort]

Duckwing, LOL!!!

Hey, if  I've been spotted in a low 47, I'm gonna ditch or bail to prevent from padding someones score  

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[Swager]

C47s have done this to me!  You know Who you are!!!!      I will attempt to ditch a C47 but I never had the chance. (Always get blown up)!!  I will only bail when the plane is shot out from under me!    

I probably would of shot the chute!  But it is much better to let them float.  The only way out is to Alt-F4 out.  That is a long para jump!

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