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Offline Steve

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Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« on: July 10, 2008, 12:36:02 PM »
I have been away for a few months and perhaps my experiences thus far, upon my return, are merely anecdotal but:

I was cruising at about 8K(too lazy to grab much higher)  towards a friendly base under attack by cv planes. As I fly past the cv I spy an enemy con,grabbing off the cv, at about 5k. The enemy is almost directly in my flight path.  I nose down and vector for intercept. Right before I get into gun range(for my poor aim that's 400 yards for a fighter)  the corsair sees me and tries to evade by a split S. I chop throttle, roll onto my back, and pull for the shot. The hog goes out of sight under my nose(relative to the nose, we are inverted) but I felt I had good lead so I pull the trigger.  BOOM, kill.    The dead guy then gets on a 200 rant how it was a cheap pick and is "that all I 've got?"

That was a pick?

Scenario 2:

Alone I fly to an enemy base where bad guys were upping to vulch a nearby firendly base. I arrive at about 7k, spy a 110 on the deck who is heading for a friendly cv.(no uppers at our cv). I drop down and he gives away his evasive very early by tilting his wing left. I cheat to his left as I approach and sure enough, he breaks hard left to avoid. Easy shot,  BOOM, kill. I zoom back up, and arrive at the base in good shape back at almost 8k now. Several bad guys have upped and are in assorted positions but all below me. I am the only friendly in the sector. A fight ensues where several cons try to kill me but I kill them all, holding My E. all except the smart one in a 109 who flies away to grab as I am engaged. It's no less that 1 vs 7. In the mean time, with the vulch busted, friendlies finally arrive and the fight is now over the bad guy's base. I get one more kill and then land at the cv, out of ammo. One guy says: "Nice picks, you can't do anything else."

I was alone against these guys.These were picks?

I've noticed in the arena that very few of the masses seem to understand the value of E retention.  After merge, with the requisite HO attempt, they either keep going or go into a hard break turn. Naturally, my counter is to go up and then have my way with them. I've had more than one person tell me I'm picking when I do this.

This is now considered picking?


In the past, the definition of picking was killing a guy who was already engaged with one or more other cons.  For instance, Scca's thread.  His story is a clear sotry of a pick, IMHO.

Has the definition changed?
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2008, 12:47:29 PM »
Hi Steve,

I think I was flying with the knights against you that night.  You are simply tough to kill and fly smart, and that's why guys on my side called you a picker.  For my part, you did a great job of picking apart my 190F-8 and gave me just desserts for being a bit too low. (edit, "picking" no pun intended!)

As for the definition of a "pick," I'm no authority.  That privilege belongs to the guys you shoot down. :aok

P.S.  It's probable that I was the "smart" 109. :P
« Last Edit: July 10, 2008, 12:52:32 PM by Anaxogoras »
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2008, 12:53:45 PM »
a "pick" is when you kill an nme off of a friendlies behind, plain and simple.

and just Laugh if anyone tries to tell you different.

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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2008, 12:57:13 PM »
Doesn't sound like a pick too me. Sounds more like BnZ.

IMO, picking is when you kill an aircraft that is engaged with another aircraft. Vulching I guess one could say is picking, but you didn't vulch.
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2008, 12:57:58 PM »
The new "pick" I guess is any kill where the target feels they should have prevailed in spite of their poor skills.

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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2008, 12:58:51 PM »
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a "pick" is when you kill an nme off of a friendlies behind, plain and simple.
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picking is when you kill an aircraft that is engaged with another aircraft

Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2008, 12:59:35 PM »
Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.


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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2008, 01:00:22 PM »
Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.

I never said I wasn't  :devil
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2008, 01:00:42 PM »
If you're saying you've never cleared a friendly's six, you're lying, plain and simple.

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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2008, 01:02:06 PM »
Based on these defintions, every single one of you is a picker.

True, but some people make a living off doing this, others don't.
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2008, 01:03:20 PM »
nope im not saying that at all, a pick to me is a  good thing, but i generally fight red guys for my killz not green.


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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2008, 01:05:10 PM »
Hi Steve,

I think I was flying with the knights against you that night.  You are simply tough to kill and fly smart, and that's why guys on my side called you a picker.  For my part, you did a great job of picking apart my 190F-8 and gave me just desserts for being a bit too low. (edit, "picking" no pun intended!)

As for the definition of a "pick," I'm no authority.  That privilege belongs to the guys you shoot down. :aok

P.S.  It's probable that I was the "smart" 109. :P

You're gavagai?! That was a different flight but I remember that fight! I had E over you but it seemed like it still took me about 10 minutes to kill you as you were determined to survive, lol. Don't worry, you paid me back a couple of nights later as you and a friend caught me on the water, trying to ditch. BOOM, dead Steve.   :lol  :aok
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2008, 01:05:42 PM »
True, but some people make a living off doing this, others don't.

hmm... I make a living getting my six cleared :)

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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2008, 01:09:49 PM »
In all scenarios that you described ... those are not "picks" in my book.

Also, your understanding of a "pick" is exactly the same as mine.

The people that called your kills picks, are the clueless 200 lemmings that are only following the clueless 200 lemmings in front of them, who have no idea what a "pick" really is.
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Re: Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 01:11:17 PM »
As long as its 1 on 1 it can never be a pick. People bieng timid is the issue these days.
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