Has the definition of "pick" been skewed?(changed)

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for some reason i think it will be fun to tangle with ya Humble,

i will never drop in on a 1vs1 unless asked to, i DO not vulch(my least favorite thing in AH except maybe kill stealer's)

i will never ask for someone to help me clear my 6, if that person got there he deserves the kill,( I have gone so far as being in a good fight with some one but they did not finish me off, im bingo i spot someone trying to steel his kill, namely me) i will auger so that first pilot i was in the fight with gets the kill.

i think this game is great, i try to fly with honor( i know honor in a computer game ) i try to give every one respect.
at least those who deserve it, and I wish every one flew like that (the respect part)

does not matter to me that most of the MA mentality is the exact opposite,that  will not stop me from being me.

[spit16nooby]

There are no my picks in my view just unwanted help. Like this

I was in a 109k-4 facing humes's 109f-4 we merged and he had a slight alt advantage and I had slight speed avantage so we were co-e.  We started the fight and like all good 109 pilots should do we went into a vertical fight.  It was quite even with him having a edge in manueverability and me with more power and climb.  We continuously scissored and broke and remerged with no ho's.  I then realize that are fight is headed to enemy cons so I change the direction of it away and then I see a green dot a sector away and coming towards us I think nothing of it.  We keep the pattern of fight and I check my map once again and see the green dot is closer and still coming still not worrying about it.  I then start gaining the edge and going for the kill shot I see his icon and I lose my concentration and kindly ask him to stay out of the fight from 6k away and I hear no answer I repeat it no answer.  I then think he may have his sound off or something so I type it out and he still doesn't answer so I just keep on fighting then he comes in and kills the humes.  The best fight I ahd ever had ruined by a friendly.  Humes and I trade salutes on 200 and talk about our great fight and about how stupid the other guy is.

That is unwanted help.

[Zazen13]

Nope ... only #3 qualifies.

All the others are wingman tactics, and if people are truly flying wingman tactics ... god bless 'em ... else it's a "pick".

Good pilots do these things all the time. We rarely have assigned wingmen in the MA so every friendly con is a potential wingman. Virtually all wingman tactics, especially those I just outlined, are about manipulating the enemy in such a way as to make him more vulnerable to attack from another, in short, setting him up to be cherry picked.

[crockett]

As long as its 1 on 1 it can never be a pick. People bieng timid is the issue these days.

Agreed, if it's 1 on 1 it's not a pick in the classic sense as being a "cherry picker". Sometimes I see people sitting with alt and picking guys off as they climb up in the classic BnZ fashion. In that sense it's not a cherry pick so to speak, but more of just picking off the kills as they climb up.

[crockett]

Nope ... only #3 qualifies.

All the others are wingman tactics, and if people are truly flying wingman tactics ... god bless 'em ... else it's a "pick".

Personally I don't mind fighting against wingman tactics if it's just two cons and they are both willing to commit to the fight. I really hate when 2 cons do nothing but BnZ a lower alt con or one con gets into a turn fight with you and the other keeps BnZing.

[stegor]

simple and plain:
You don't like cherrypicking??
Don't do the cherry, scan  ALWAYS the sky around and above you, mantain a high SA.....otherwise you risk to be picked....its all in your hands...
You know there are so bad guys out there......take care of yourself

[NoBaddy]

In the dusty halls of my mind, I remember a pick/cherry pick being the killing of an already engaged opponent.

Recently, I have noticed many noobs redefine it as any tactic that has the enemy above them, picking them off. Oh well, they are noobs...one can't expect them to learn about things they speak about. 

For me, it is relatively simple....if you fly like a cherry...I will make cherry pie. 

In all seriousness, I will generally try to ask if my help is wanted before attacking an engaged enemy. Unless it's Slappy......

[SlapShot]

In the dusty halls of my mind, I remember a pick/cherry pick being the killing of an already engaged opponent.

Recently, I have noticed many noobs redefine it as any tactic that has the enemy above them, picking them off. Oh well, they are noobs...one can't expect them to learn about things they speak about. 

For me, it is relatively simple....if you fly like a cherry...I will make cherry pie. 

In all seriousness, I will generally try to ask if my help is wanted before attacking an engaged enemy. Unless it's Slappy......

You have the distinct honor, in 6+ years of AH, of being the only person that had me seeing red and frothing at the mount after being "picked" ... I wanted him SOOOO bad and I was just one or two turns away from getting my wish.

He had me pinned for more than 7-10 mintues and each time I evaded, I got a little bit closer to bringing the fight to a even ground.

 

[angelsandair]

I have been away for a few months and perhaps my experiences thus far, upon my return, are merely anecdotal but:

I was cruising at about 8K(too lazy to grab much higher)  towards a friendly base under attack by cv planes. As I fly past the cv I spy an enemy con,grabbing off the cv, at about 5k. The enemy is almost directly in my flight path.  I nose down and vector for intercept. Right before I get into gun range(for my poor aim that's 400 yards for a fighter)  the corsair sees me and tries to evade by a split S. I chop throttle, roll onto my back, and pull for the shot. The hog goes out of sight under my nose(relative to the nose, we are inverted) but I felt I had good lead so I pull the trigger.  BOOM, kill.    The dead guy then gets on a 200 rant how it was a cheap pick and is "that all I 've got?"

That was a pick?

Scenario 2:

Alone I fly to an enemy base where bad guys were upping to vulch a nearby firendly base. I arrive at about 7k, spy a 110 on the deck who is heading for a friendly cv.(no uppers at our cv). I drop down and he gives away his evasive very early by tilting his wing left. I cheat to his left as I approach and sure enough, he breaks hard left to avoid. Easy shot,  BOOM, kill. I zoom back up, and arrive at the base in good shape back at almost 8k now. Several bad guys have upped and are in assorted positions but all below me. I am the only friendly in the sector. A fight ensues where several cons try to kill me but I kill them all, holding My E. all except the smart one in a 109 who flies away to grab as I am engaged. It's no less that 1 vs 7. In the mean time, with the vulch busted, friendlies finally arrive and the fight is now over the bad guy's base. I get one more kill and then land at the cv, out of ammo. One guy says: "Nice picks, you can't do anything else."

I was alone against these guys.These were picks?

I've noticed in the arena that very few of the masses seem to understand the value of E retention.  After merge, with the requisite HO attempt, they either keep going or go into a hard break turn. Naturally, my counter is to go up and then have my way with them. I've had more than one person tell me I'm picking when I do this.

This is now considered picking?


In the past, the definition of picking was killing a guy who was already engaged with one or more other cons.  For instance, Scca's thread.  His story is a clear sotry of a pick, IMHO.

Has the definition changed?

Picking is the same as a HO, its always THEIR fault!!

[Gixer]

Good pilots do these things all the time. We rarely have assigned wingmen in the MA so every friendly con is a potential wingman. Virtually all wingman tactics, especially those I just outlined, are about manipulating the enemy in such a way as to make him more vulnerable to attack from another, in short, setting him up to be cherry picked.

In general yes for the main furballs I agree and I'll try clear any countrymans six if he looks to be in trouble or asks.. But if your obviously 1 v 1 with someone and they are enjoying the dual as much as you are and another drops in without asking first for a easy kill that's a pick imho.


<S>...-Gixer
 

[Steve]

In general yes for the main furballs I agree and I'll try clear any countrymans six if he looks to be in trouble or asks.. But if your obviously 1 v 1 with someone and they are enjoying the dual as much as you are and another drops in without asking first for a easy kill that's a pick imho.


<S>...-Gixer
 

Ya, I'm a throwback that way too.  If I see a 1v1 I'll ask if my teammate needs help and only jump in with an affirmative answer.

[Ack-Ack]

Ya, I'm a throwback that way too.  If I see a 1v1 I'll ask if my teammate needs help and only jump in with an affirmative answer.

I got chewed out once for not helping a team mate in a 1v1.  From my view, it looked like it was a good fight and I didn't want to ruin it so I stayed out, just watching.  After my team mate died, he immediately started calling me a spy because I watched and <S> the other guy for what appeared to be a good fight between him and my team mate.  I tried to explain to my team mate that if he had asked for some help, I would have engaged to make the other guy break off to allow my team mate to regroup and re-engage but I wouldn't have shot down the other guy as I would have felt I was stealing the kill from my team mate that was working hard for it.  My answer didn't satisfy him and he continued with the crap talk so I switched sides and hunted him all night long until he logged. 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't sometimes.


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[hubsonfire]

Scenario 1: Bounce
Scenario 2: Beating

No picks in these two accounts.

[Yenny]

I pick ^_^ I don't care! if people got bad SA it's their problem. I usually fly with a wingman going vs equal or more enemy in a furball area. I use drag'n'bag tactic a lot. Let say my wingman and I cappin an enemy air field. 2 of us v. a bunch of baddies.

My wingman would just bnz in and out, and I'd just sit about 2k above him watching. If anyone dumb enough to follow him back up when he zoom up for converting his E to alt, I'll dive in and pick em off. It works pretty well for me sometime I pick off 2-3 guys in 1 pass as they hang at 100 knts on the rope. Though they do get ruff on 200 after that ^_^ but it's not my issue, that they allowed themself to get into that situation.

[NoBaddy]

You have the distinct honor, in 6+ years of AH, of being the only person that had me seeing red and frothing at the mount after being "picked" ... I wanted him SOOOO bad and I was just one or two turns away from getting my wish.

He had me pinned for more than 7-10 mintues and each time I evaded, I got a little bit closer to bringing the fight to a even ground.

 

As I said at the time....he called "guns free" and said to come in if I wanted. Did feel bad for you....felt good to help a countryman tho. I will purchase an adult beverage for you at the convention.