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Offline FireDragon

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2008, 04:42:15 PM »
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2008, 05:21:30 PM »
i will never forget, im coming into a base deep in nme territory, i see 6 cons low i drop on the last one in line, not a one of them move, i shot all of them down, they were all lined up for me,every one was AFK,i seriously think that was the hardest i have laughed at this game.

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2008, 08:27:01 PM »
If you really want to dominate, start at 30K.  You are in the right plane.  You may want to try a D9 also

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »
If you really want to dominate, start at 30K.  You are in the right plane.  You may want to try a D9 also

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2008, 08:57:26 PM »
Is there a desired alt I should reach while heading towards some action?  I was in a (of course) p51d.  Just curious

If you actually want to learn to fight ditch the P51 for now. They are far too easy to learn bad habits in. IMO if you are new to the game you should just grab a spit say a spit9 and fly into every big red dar bar you see. Don't worry about living or landing kills, just go learn how to dog fight.

Just don't stay in the spit too long, because they won't ever really challenge you to get better. They are just too easy and to get good you need to keep challenging your self with different planes. Pick the easier planes first so you don't get frustrated but soon as you start getting good in them move to a new plane.

IMO it's best to pick 1 plane each tour to fly most of that tour. That gives you enough time to learn it and get decent in it, then move to the next one. This will also allow you to learn what the other planes are capable of and that's one of the most important things you need to learn. If you know what the plane you are fighting is capable of, that lets you know how to fight them.

Just stay out of the A6M's, Huri2's and Niki's you wont learn anything in them except how to be a dweeb. Once you have flown about 5 months or so fly a tour in the Spit 1, Huri 1 or the P40E you will learn a lot in those planes but don't try it till you have a few tours experience.
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2008, 08:30:06 AM »
Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar.  I spotted a NIK at about 18k,  I was just about co-alt to it so I  turned into engage him.  He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade.  I thought great! free kill.  Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least. 

So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it.  I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there.  So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill...  Wonderful,  I thought... 

Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin,  like a rock I watch this guy fall.  I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on.  Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast.  I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm...  I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down. 

I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate.  But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone.  Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.

Some tips

Convergence is important.  set 275 or 300 for all guns.  You want as much damage to take place in 1 spot.

Shooting distance is important.  In your P51 6 x 50 cals you fired at 600.  With a 300 convergence your bullet stream would look like a big X from your wing mounted guns.  The nik wouldn't even have been touched because your right hand bullets would have passed safely on the left hand side of the nik.  Shoot closer and hardly ever beyond 400.  300 or 200 is ideal for the convergence's above.

Uncheck stall limiter in option flight. It's like training wheels on a babies bike.  You'll turn better.

Stick bounce can wast alot of ammo or dump you into a tree :furious  Smooth that out with a little damping in map controllers.

When you get time read up on the home page advantages and disadvantage of each plane.  Then apply that knowledge in your fights.     

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2008, 01:34:58 PM »
Some tips

Convergence is important.  set 275 or 300 for all guns.  You want as much damage to take place in 1 spot.

Shooting distance is important.  In your P51 6 x 50 cals you fired at 600.  With a 300 convergence your bullet stream would look like a big X from your wing mounted guns.  The nik wouldn't even have been touched because your right hand bullets would have passed safely on the left hand side of the nik.  Shoot closer and hardly ever beyond 400.  300 or 200 is ideal for the convergence's above.

Uncheck stall limiter in option flight. It's like training wheels on a babies bike.  You'll turn better.

Stick bounce can wast alot of ammo or dump you into a tree :furious  Smooth that out with a little damping in map controllers.

When you get time read up on the home page advantages and disadvantage of each plane.  Then apply that knowledge in your fights.     

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I disagree with that but I'm not a big 50 cal fan, 50 cal's will go a long distance. I'd set them at least out to 350. Hell even in my K4 with the 30mm tatter my convergence is set at 350. You can always easily adjust your fire to hit a close plane with a long convergence, but it's much harder to adjust and hit a target at a longer distance if your convergence is set too close.

When dog fighting you don't get that many 200ft shots most are going to be 300ft to 400ft, especially in something like a pony that isn't a turn & burn plane.

btw infowars, if you don't know how to set the convergence. It's simple while in the hanger hit the "convergence" button on the clipboard then just drag them out or in but defiantly put them all at the same point, no matter if it's short or long.
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2008, 01:57:59 PM »
Anyway last night I was flying to a sector that had a large bar.  I spotted a NIK at about 18k,  I was just about co-alt to it so I  turned into engage him.  He obviously had no clue I was there because he made no move to evade.  I thought great! free kill.  Considering I have like .95 perk points I was really jazzed to say the least. 

So I get about D600 on his 6 and could no longer contain myself and started pumping some lead into it.  I got some good hits and he still didn't acknowledge I was there.  So I figured he's on auto pilot and that increased my chances for a kill...  Wonderful,  I thought... 

Anyway so after a few more rounds I thought I saw I piece of his wing come off and he fell into a spin,  like a rock I watch this guy fall.  I followed him for a few K but didn't want to lose my alt so I leveled off and continued on.  Sure enough I was checking my 6 and this friggen' guy was on me and closing fast.  I freaked everyone out in my house because I started yelling, screaming and cussing up a storm...  I couldn't shake this guy and he eventually shot me down. 

I don't really have a point to this story other than I love this game and really thought that when I started playing I'd be able to dominate.  But to be honest I'm glad it takes so long to become decent at this game and I just wanted to let you guys know it is a pleasure to fly and get owned by just about everyone.  Thanks for the fun and I'll see ya up.

The third paragraph had me hooked into thinking this was another whiney "plane-overmodeled" or "player-cheaten-bastage" post -- but (thankfully) I was wrong.  Bravo on the fourth paragraph!

I think Dedalos has it right:
Me thinks there was a second NIKI there thinking the same thing you were.
Sounds like you were fixated on the first Nik and didn't see his wingman (who was much too late to save his buddy, the useless bastage).  He simply made you pop before his buddy hit the ground.

One thing no one has mentioned yet is to film your sorties occasionally (alt-R to record).  If you had filmed the sortie, you could have found out for sure if it was a second Nik or whether you did something that lost you so much speed it allowed him to close in on you.  It is a good learning tool for matters like that.
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2008, 02:12:51 PM »
Infowars,

Thanks for clearing my 6 last night.  I had a hoard of about 4-5 bishops trailing my 190F-8 just NE of A83, and you came down in your P-51D and shot down the lead bandit. :aok  I said "thanks for clearing my 6!  Don't turn around," as I could see that your energy state was only a bit higher than theirs.  But you turned anyway!  Well, that's how you learn. :cool:

Couple of tips about the P-51D:
1.  You want to start with more energy than your targets.  That means faster or higher.
2.  No matter what you've read or seen in documentaries, the P-51D is not able to out-turn most of its targets.  Turning=Slow=Dead.

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2008, 02:15:17 PM »
Couple of tips about the P-51D:
1.  You want to start with more energy than your targets.  That means faster or higher.
2.  No matter what you've read or seen in documentaries, the P-51D is not able to out-turn most of its targets.  Turning=Slow=Dead.
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2008, 02:39:41 PM »
Well done.  You certainly did not win that fight by simply out-turning your opponent. :aok
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2008, 09:39:41 PM »
Have to disagree with you crockett. I set my guns to 200yds convergence, and it's rare I don't get at least a snapshot at that range.

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The best advice is this: You can listen to recommendations on this plane and that plane all you want, but ultimately it all comes down to what YOU want to fly, and how YOU learn (personally, I almost never climb out of my Corsair).

It's unfair to say that certain planes are bad to learn in because they "only teach bad habits." This is NOT true. They only teach "dweeby" behavior because that's all the pilot wants to get out of it. The P-51 is a difficult aircraft to learn how to fight effectively in, so most P-51 pilots don't bother to learn, and instead spend all their time sitting on high perches and run at the slightest glimpse of a co-alt Con 5k out. Because they don't want to take a little more time and effort. Most new pilots see the four 20mm cannon and massive ammo load of the N1K2 and decide to spend all their time shooting people in the face, because they don't want to bother learning that the N1K is far more formidable than as just a HO machine (and 99% of the time, the guys who hop into a Nikki and don't do anything but HO very quickly end up spinning into the ground in pieces, because their opponent was smart enough not to play their game and reversed them, which they had no idea how to counter because they don't bother learning how to do more THAN HO).

Some guys, as crockett suggested, learn better by diving into a swarm of red and getting shot down if five seconds. However there's other resources available to new pilots as well, especially the Training Arena where you can arrange one-on-one time with a trainer, or someone who specializes in the plane you want to fly. IMO this is the better option, because you have on-hand advice on what you're doing right and wrong that unless you ALREADY know what you're looking for, just diving into a furball won't tell you.
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2008, 06:33:51 AM »
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I disagree with that but I'm not a big 50 cal fan, 50 cal's will go a long distance. I'd set them at least out to 350. Hell even in my K4 with the 30mm tatter my convergence is set at 350. You can always easily adjust your fire to hit a close plane with a long convergence, but it's much harder to adjust and hit a target at a longer distance if your convergence is set too close.

Admittedly there is some merit in what you say especially with that 30mm ballistic drop.  It would make sense to push that convergence out a little further to counter the "drop" in a high speed firing turn.  I have my Yak cannon 25 yards further out than the wings guns.

I use the F6f alot with 6x50's convergence set to 275.  My kill zone is typically 200 to 300 yards.  The 50's fly fairly flat and straight.  The disadvantage, for want of a better expression, is you need to hold hits on target a little longer than cannon planes.  Hence the need to get closer in for effective damage in the shortest period possible.

New guys in general have an instinct to fire at wildly ridiculous distances.  Some will push the convergence out to the max to compensate and some will actually be successful with the spray and prey, at distances none of us would even attempt.  By encouraging the new guys to shoot closer with a convergence suited to the ballistics the new guys will realise, at least I hope, that they have to work for the kill.  Having said that it is only right to say "each to their own",  Meaning some folk are well suited to getting, in my opinion, long distance kills and have their convergence set to reflect their preferred ability.

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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2008, 06:40:53 AM »
Yaks have wing guns now?
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Re: Last night in the orange MA
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2008, 07:02:06 AM »
lol  I ain't long been up after a good sesh.....cowl guns is correct.