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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2008, 02:01:29 PM »
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I wonder if her Dad also taught her to walk right in front of a gun too?
It just shows what kind of respect she has learned.

I noticed that. But since the gun was lying on a table with no one touching it, and it had just been field stripped and the bolt was locked to the rear with no magazine inserted (can't tell if she also put the safety on, since it's on the other side) -- it figured it didn't much matter. Kinda like walking in front of a parked car. I walk in front of my guns all the time when performing maintenance. The barrel even sweeps my head at various times. There are common sense limits to the four rules, or you wouldn't ever clean your weapon.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2008, 02:07:52 PM »
If that girl works real hard building her shooting skills and applies herself someday she might just give the Whistler girls a run for their money.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2008, 02:26:06 PM »
She is well on her way. There are a few videos of her out at the range. Even though she is only 11 she does an alright job. The one thing that impressed me where her clearing drills. I have seen officers with 15 plus years of experience, completely lose their composer when they have a malfunction. While she is still pretty slow, she gets the weapon back into action. The reality is, she can only improve with time. If this is her at 11, think of what she could be 10 years from now..
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171379&page=1
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171380&page=2
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2008, 02:37:00 PM »
a .22 or a 410 is one thing but I think a AR-15 is a wee bit over the top. The girl is 11yrs old.

AR-15 actually IS a .22(3)
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2008, 02:42:59 PM »
She is well on her way. There are a few videos of her out at the range. Even though she is only 11 she does an alright job. The one thing that impressed me where her clearing drills. I have seen officers with 15 plus years of experience, completely lose their composer when they have a malfunction. While she is still pretty slow, she gets the weapon back into action. The reality is, she can only improve with time. If this is her at 11, think of what she could be 10 years from now..
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171379&page=1
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171380&page=2
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B89249D38176127D430664BA14315E71?displayContent=171378&page=2


don't care what anyone thinks...that little girl is impressive.

questions though? what kind of gun was she shooting? it seemed that she was having a lot of problems with it for some reason?
 and what was the purpose of her spinning in a circle after she reloaded, right before she reholstrered? i didn't notice the guy next to her do anything except to re-holster

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2008, 02:50:31 PM »
It looked like a Glock. Most likely she was having so many problems because of a "limp wrist" issue. Even so, she did a good job of over coming so many FTF's. I think the limp wrist issue is going to be a problem for her until she is strong enough to manage the recoil. I noticed a lot of muzzle rise when she shoots. I am guessing that is only a 9mm. Even so, her little hands and her small size, make a 9mm bounce like a .45.

 As for spinning, I can only guess that is some sort of 360 security drill she has learned that she was practicing. We teach a similar tactic at the SD range here.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2008, 04:36:31 AM »
because?

I find very strange for an male adult to be fascinated by a not nubile girl.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2008, 07:29:05 AM »
One of my fondest Memories is of my Father and Grandfather telling me on Friday that I will be getting up early (6AM) and I will be going with them Hunting that Saturday.  I was 7 years old.  I was told I would not have a shotgun but I would in the future.  I was to be taught the proper way of handling a Firearm....to respect nature and appreciate the outdoors more then I did already.  My father told me Rusty would take care of me  (our Beagle)  ;)  I was taught how to check a firearm,  how to clean it and above all respect it. I was taught by both men when to aim, when to shoot, chamber a round and so forth.   If I did well enough and learned how to properly handle a firearm I would be given my own.

I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun.  I'll never forget that as long as I live.  I was 8 years old.  That was 50 years ago.  Still brings a smile and sometimes a tear to my eye when I recall that special day.  Not because it was my first gun, but because my Dad and Grandfather cared enough and took the time to teach me to shoot, hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors during any Season.  Also taught me responsibilty.

For that I will be forever grateful.   Wonder if they have that for a playstation 3?   :(
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2008, 08:32:44 AM »
bbbb..  We are not supposed to mention the "limp wrist" jam around dago.. he doesn't believe it is possible.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2008, 08:37:39 AM »
One of my fondest Memories is of my Father and Grandfather telling me on Friday that I will be getting up early (6AM) and I will be going with them Hunting that Saturday.  I was 7 years old.  I was told I would not have a shotgun but I would in the future.  I was to be taught the proper way of handling a Firearm....to respect nature and appreciate the outdoors more then I did already.  My father told me Rusty would take care of me  (our Beagle)  ;)  I was taught how to check a firearm,  how to clean it and above all respect it. I was taught by both men when to aim, when to shoot, chamber a round and so forth.   If I did well enough and learned how to properly handle a firearm I would be given my own.

I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun.  I'll never forget that as long as I live.  I was 8 years old.  That was 50 years ago.  Still brings a smile and sometimes a tear to my eye when I recall that special day.  Not because it was my first gun, but because my Dad and Grandfather cared enough and took the time to teach me to shoot, hunt, fish and enjoy the great outdoors during any Season.  Also taught me responsibilty.

For that I will be forever grateful.   Wonder if they have that for a playstation 3?   :(

Good read Haj.   I never had that experience as I never started hunting until 1999.   I grew up in a house without knives or guns allowed.   I honored it until I moved out, for respect of my parents.   I then bought a USP 45 and a Sig 30-06.   The Sig is my hunting rifle I bought after my father in law offered to take me hunting.    I put up with a lot of crap from this man prior to marriage, almost coming to blows one time.   Once the wife and I were engaged, he stopped.    I enjoy spending a few days in November with him up north and away from a lot of love muffines here, near Detroit.   When I shot my first deer in 2000 with the new Sig, he almost broke down as I dragged the 200 lb deer out myself at dusk.

But I hope remember your pop and grandpa handing you that present for a long time.   I envy you and a lot of hunters, because I'm 35 and started when I was 28.  
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2008, 08:58:26 AM »
I still remember that Christmas Morning long ago when I woke up......Dad and Grandpa picked up a long package from under the Tree and presented me with a .410 shotgun.  I'll never forget that as long as I live.  I was 8 years old.  That was 50 years ago. 
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Same age same deal for me, except it was a .22/.410 O/U. Only difference is you're 3 years older than me :)

I was even prouder at age 10 on my birthday. My grandpa handed me down his prized "dove gun" - a beautiful 16 gauge side by side in a fitted wood case. He told me I'd already proven I could hunt like a grown man, and now deserved a man's weapon. It was one of the proudest days of my life.

A year later I really pissed my dad off when he got a new Browning 30.06, and when we went out to break it in I was able to shoot better groups at 300 yards than he could. I never could get him to give me that gun, although I told him I deserved it  :devil
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2008, 09:27:57 AM »
Teaching anyone the proper way to handle and shoot a firearm is rewarding. Had a personal experiance with that myself yesterday. A little background.

A very good friend of mine approuched me last year and asked if I might be willing to teach his wife how to shoot. I told him sure, no propblem since I've taught several people to shoot.

(insert the sound of the Mack truck coming up behind you at 65mph) :uhoh

Heather, my friends wife, was DEATHLY afraid of guns. When she was 9 years old her older brother was shot in the back of the head and neck by her father in a hunting accident. From the details I got, her brother had wandered off during a hunt and was out of sight from everyone else. A bird was flushed and her dad took a shot at it not realizing her brother was just on the other side of some bushes that were there and got shot. To this day she still gets very emotional about the whole thing, so she had some serious baggage I had to deal with.

Well we started talking about guns last year. At first she would start crying after talking about them for maybe 10 minutes or so, and would turn into a train wreck, but she would always come back and talk to me and she kept telling me that she really wanted to get over this fear of hers. After about 6 months of just casually discussing firearms which during those conversations I was always stressing safety and having a healthy respect for guns, and assuring her that because of her experiance she would ALWAYS remember safety and that's a good thing, she finally agreed to come over to my house for a lesson.

First time she came over I had most of my guns laying on the living room floor. None of my large bore stuff, but just the weapons I would be letting her shoot at first. She was very nervous when she walked in and saw all that stuff laying there. We had a couple cups of coffee, and just sat there on the couch and talked about whatever. That first lesson I didn't even ask her to pick up a gun, I just wanted her to be in the same room with them. We did this a few more times and then one day she asked me to show her one of my pistols. That was the first time she had even held a real gun in her hand.

This type pf thing went on for the last six months and the more comfortable she got being around them the more she handled them and asked questions. I taught her how to clear the weapons, how NEVER to accept a weapon from anyone if the chamber was not opened and cleared. I taught her to break them down and clean them, discussing all the parts and what the function of each part is for. I got dummy rounds for all of them so she could practice loading and unloading them.

Yesterday everything came together for her. I took Heather to the range for the first time. I took my Ruger 10/22 and my PT-99 9mm pistol. I got on the line with my .22 and fired about 20 rounds letting her watch me so she could hear what it sounded like and see that it's not going to recoil hard. Then I let her try. I had her only load one round at a time and fire so she would be forced to clear, safe, and reload the gun after every shot. After a couple of shots she was starting to have fun with the Ruger. We went though a box of ammo and then I got my pistol out. She got very nervous at that point but she stayed right there behind me watching everything I did, even though she knows how to operate that pistol. The size of the round scarred her and she thought she wasn't going to be able to handle it.

Well I fired some rounds off, then set it on the bench and told her it was her turn. I reminded her again (for about the 100th time about propper breathing, hand placement and sight picture). She loaded 1 round, took aim and fired. Hit way low and left. The gun almost jumped out of her hand, even though I told her to expect that the first time. She cleared it set it down and walked back from the line with tears in her eyes because she was so scarred. I thought we were going to have to leave, but I kept my cool and paitence and let her take a minute to collect herself. I went over and talked to the range master and gave him anouther heads up that I was teaching a very scarred woman how to shoot and to just bear with us down on that end of the range. (those guys at the range were very cool as well. The didn't put anyone within 4 lanes of us all day :aok)

I got back to Heather and asked her if she wanted to try again or pack up and leave and thats when she got detirmined to do it again and do it right. She picked it back up, loaded a round and fired again. This time it was just a little high and left. I tapped her on the shoulder, our prearranged signal that I wanted to tell her something, so she cleared the pistol and set it down so I could talk to her. I told her I noticed her knuckels were turning white because she was gripping the thing so hard and that she needed to relax her hands just a bit. I showed her again how to properly hold the grip so she would push the gun around and told her to take anouther shot.

3rd shot of the day was a 10 ring low and right. When I saw it I kinda yelled it out a little bit and when she turned to look at me I gave her a thumbs up and said great shot!!! That's when I got the grin from her and knew she was hooked.

She ended up shooting almost 2 boxes of ammo out of a handgun she was convinced she wasn't going to be able to shoot. She caught herself a couple of times trying to anticipate the recoil and stopped, would take a deep breath and line up again and fire. Any shot she made that wasn't center mass was either a little high or a little low but ALL of them were in the vertical center of the target. After the first 2 rounds she never tossed one left or right for the rest of the day.

3 hours of range time, 100 rounds of 9mm downrange, 100 rounds of .22LR downrange and we have a brand new shooter in the club. She LOVED it!!!! She is so proud of herself for doing it and doing it right. I'm proud of her for going through with it and getting over her fear and being an outstanding student, and I'm proud of myself for keeping my patience for a year while teaching her.

After we got done she wanted to go look at guns in the store :D When we met up with Kevin, her husband, yesterday evening for dinner he asked if he could finally buy a gun to keep in the house and I had to laugh when she told him, "You can get one after you buy me a Lady Smith in 38spl. They have a really nice one at the store that I like alot." :rofl

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!  She's still a little nervouse but now she KNOWS that guns aren't evil, she can handle a weapon safely, and most of all when done right it's alot of fun. One of my best days ever at the range and I think I only fired maybe 40 rounds all day.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2008, 10:26:44 AM »
Hornet well done!  I wish we had more people like you, my Grandfather and Dad around who would take the time to properly expose people to firearms.  They don't have to shoot them....just respect them.  From the experiences you, Kelly, Jay and myself posted they would become knowledgeable about firearms, firearm safety and learn the most important point.  It's not the firearm....it's the person holding it.

My oldest Son liked to shoot....but it wasn't "his thing". At least he learned about firearm safety and the responsibilty of owning one.

My youngest Son shows no interest at all.  That's is ok with me.  As long as he too knew that the firearm isn't responsible, it's the person who owns and uses it.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2008, 02:11:02 PM »


I see a little girl that can do what I consider impressive things that MOST 11 year old boys would have trouble with......... I find her ability, effort, and accomplishments IMPRESSIVE, even ADMIRABLE!   I MUST, because of what I see, extend to her some RESPECT!




Straffo IMHO no one is expressing any interest of an untoward or improper nature in this thread nothing even close to what I see in the Wednesday babe thread.

YET You Sir....

are hinting at it, and have been hinting at it repeatedly.........

Why?


Are you looking at us through something in YOUR MIND Sir?
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2008, 03:14:24 PM »
bbbb..  We are not supposed to mention the "limp wrist" jam around dago.. he doesn't believe it is possible.

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 Well, I have seen the limp wrist factor with my own two eyes and taught students to overcome the issue, I say it is a real problem. Failure to lock your wrist and maintain an even grip on the pistol can and sometimes will, lead to FTF and FTE malfunctions in light framed guns such as Glock's and XD's where felt recoil is greater.