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Offline Mojava

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #75 on: July 14, 2008, 09:05:59 AM »
Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic.  Funny how we glorify death and violence.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #76 on: July 14, 2008, 09:28:55 AM »
M00t I don't see a difference between the pict I posted and the one starting this thread.

I've the same feeling seeing both ,and it's disgusting.


you know by the way had some moron from dixon or elsewhere not posted the usual "surrender monkey" ,perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ...


IMHO there is a definite possibility here that you Sir are PROJECTING your hangups and prejudices upon the rest of us!

Further more you have plainly stated that you do NOT understand our reaction...

"When I just see a bunch guys fascinated by a young girl doing something she shouldn't be able to do.
I wonder why the are so passionate and the answer is very obvious."


I take it it NEVER occurred to you that our reactions is because of...

"fascinated by a young girl doing something she shouldn't be able to do."

Did it never occur to you that many grown men would have difficulty accomplishing her feat?

Many of us KNOW this!  Many of us APPRECIATE this!

Therefore we express our APPRECIATION............

Then along comes some person that ATTEMPTS to cast OVERTONES of a DISGUSTING NATURE upon our reactions that simply AREN'T there!

The fact that you are....  "I'm pissed"

"perhaps I will not have made a allusion to paedophilia but when I'm pissed ..."

somehow makes it alright for you to insult so many of the people responding to this thread?

Are you truly that FULL of yourself?

Is your, IMHO TWISTED, view of our response the only one that matters?

IMHO YOU Sir are OUT OF LINE and owe several people an apology, yet I have serious doubts one will be forthcoming..................

IMHO there is a VAST difference between the picture you posted and the one that began this thread!  The FACT that you can not see that difference suggest that you DON'T want to or are mental unable to.... SOOOOOOOO I will not bother even attempting to explain that difference Sir.

That fact that you APPEAR unable to distinguish the difference between them does NOT IMHO give you the right to hint at or accuse others of such a thing!
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #77 on: July 14, 2008, 09:55:59 AM »
The girl in the vid has learned a skill and is demonstrating it. Presumably she still goes to school, is well fed, is not fighting in any civil wars. Presumably, the boy in our pic is an African child-soldier who has been drafted, will be sent to fight and die, quite possibly without being as well-trained as the girl in the vid. I say "presumably", because we don't know the background of the pic. The boy COULD be a Black American child holding his father's rifle for all I know, in which case  :aok

One thing I will say about the African child(?) in the pic. For whatever bad has come or will come to him in his life, he will not be infantalized well into what used to be adulthood like most American youth of today. Robbing, raping, or murdering him or his family would be considerably more difficult for the dirtbag than it is with your typical American child.

Glorifying death and violence? What rot. Is the practice of Karate, Kenjutsu, or Kali glorifying death and violence? Or playing AHII for that matter? I am fairly anti-war myself because I know war's cost is rarely worth it, but I understand that the laws of nature remain in effect for men, that self-defense is a natural bodily function that cannot be effectively delegated or suppressed without terrible consequences. The wolf has its fang, the scorpion has its sting, the elephant has its great size and tusks. Man, small, not fast, whose natural weapons can, at best on a good day, break the ribs or nose of another puny human being, has his mind, and the nimble hands to manipulate objects in his enviroment into sophisticated tools-ESPECIALLY weapons.

The fact that proto-men learned to make and kill with primitive weapons led directly to the life we live today. It is why our primary worry is the economy or politics or making the most of our "meager" ~65-90 years, instead of being eaten by lions or dying of disease before age 30. It has indeed been a Faustian bargain, with consequences, but what is alternative? Return to living in the trees and eating fruit until you get picked off by a leopard?

I have never seen what is so good about the ideal some men seem to profess, harmlessness towards any potential attacker. I'd hate to think our species fought its way to the top of the food chain only to evolve the mindset of a boneless, helpless, stingless jellyfish.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #78 on: July 14, 2008, 09:59:33 AM »
Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic.  Funny how we glorify death and violence.


Hmmm...I saw a video of a young girl field stripping an AR 15. She'll go to school on Monday, hang out at the mall with her friends and work on her My Space page, and in short she's leading a normal life.

Then I saw a pic (I've seen that pic before) of a Somali (I think) child holding an AK 47, a child who is right in the middle of a war zone and probably DOES live with death and violence, and has been recruited fight in a civil war.

I see a world of difference in those two illustrations, and anyone that doesn't should travel to Somalia and see if there's any difference at all between our two Nations.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #79 on: July 14, 2008, 10:30:02 AM »
Straffo , you are correct, there is very little difference between the vid and your pic.  Funny how we glorify death and violence.

What is really worse ?  Having your daughter aspire to be a proficient/responsible/law abiding gun owner ? Or have her worship the Usual Suspects that her peers worship ?

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2008, 11:55:26 AM »
Not all Frenchmen think like Straffo. In fact, France is probably the closest to the US of any Europen country (with perhaps Switzerland being an exception). A lot more hoops to jump through, but if you make enough jumps you can do better than some US citizens as far as firearm ownership is concerend.

Here are some more terrible people, French ones this time:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307335&highlight=France+AR-15

A disgusting French girl with a gun:

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ92zYX827E&feature=related

How terrible. Terrorists all.

The Africa photo was great by the way. In most countries over there only the government gangs are allowed weapons, leaving the poor civilians at the mercy of unopposed rape, assault and murder. Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Darfur... shining examples of why we have the 2nd Amendment.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2008, 12:14:36 PM »
Here are some more terrible people, French ones this time:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307335&highlight=France+AR-15
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Federation Francaise de tir :salute (great link Charon)

BTW Straffo - I live in Texas and could be described as a avid gun owner/shooter (NRA Life Member).  Politically speaking I'm fundamentally conservative, but am still open to good ideas regardless of what side of the fence they come from.

Now for the shocker - I can speak French, and have a great admiration for the French culture.  I might not agree with everything in mainstream French culture, but it never stopped me from admiring what I thought was good about it, or making a lot of great friends in France (I work for a French/Italian high tech company in Texas).

I guess my point is we can all have different opinions but can still be friends - we shouldn't let stereotypes get in the way.  ;)

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #82 on: July 14, 2008, 02:42:36 PM »
mojava.. you can't be serious in saying that the pics are the same.

For one thing..  I bet the girl maintains and cares for that AR about 100 times better than that genocidal little african.   I also bet that she can actually hit something with that AR and I bet she has not been involved in any slaughters of entire villages in the last month or so.

self rightious PC ignorance never ceases to amaze me no matter what the country of origin.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #83 on: July 14, 2008, 03:21:18 PM »
You know the way you picture me is certainly quite wrong.

I bet I can disassemble and reassemble this AR as fast as this girl but blinded

I'm myself a former gun owner ,I was not a sharp shooter but certainly better than the average guy.


It's just that as a proud Euro trash and father I find disgusting to learn a kid this kind of skills.
(aside from any reference to any child soldier or  paedophilia)

@Charon you just reminded me I missed (again) the Cholet meeting this year.

@lazs It's likely I can own more gun than you :p
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #84 on: July 14, 2008, 04:13:11 PM »
You have not given one good reason why it is "disgusting" to teach your kid this sort of skills. As I pointed, if anything this girl will be less likely to be raped and strangled in a alleyway than one who has been deliberately kept helpless for...some bizarre reason.

Also, I have seen kids demonstrating killing skills involved unarmed methods and several weapons that were traditionally quite lethal. They are called "kata", and I wonder if you have a similar problem with that, and if not, what precisely is the big difference.

Since this is the AHII forum, you must also tell me what is sicker about a kid shooting holes in a target than shooting pixels online.

Former gun owner and shooter? I don't buy it, not one little bit.

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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #85 on: July 14, 2008, 04:25:46 PM »
let rephrase : for me a kid should be kept as innocent (or candid) as possible you cannot let a kid play with a gun without learning him the purpose of a gun <period> and doing so you trash his innocence.
If you don't learn him you're about to make a kind of child soldier and so are a criminal to me.

You don't buy I'm a former shooter ... as you like.
May I remember you service was mandatory in France in the 1990 when I was 20 ?

And it's the part I had to do, not the one I was doing on my spare time with my uncle and others :D

<edit> my kids ( 6 and 8 ) are not doing any pixel shooting on and off line,they're not ready to do so.
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« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2008, 04:52:00 PM »
I don't buy it.  I can't quite put it into words at the moment, but there's no inherent trashing of innocence in a kid learning about life, death, sex, killing.  If anything, it's mostly that parents are by and large incapable of teaching it right/successfuly.. So it consequently happens more often and more properly in cultures with the right memes floating around that favor a healthy understanding of those four (and other) things.  I did a crap load of observing people as far back as I can remember, as a kid, and it was very obvious to me that some taboos were a mistake.  That they were only necessary as a sort of safeguard to keep kids from going astray, but that a kid with proper understanding and discipline wouldn't need those safeguards, and that a parent who truly understands his kid wouldn't need those dummy safeguards either.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2008, 05:02:47 PM »
let rephrase : for me a kid should be kept as innocent (or candid) as possible you cannot let a kid play with a gun without learning him the purpose of a gun <period> and doing so you trash his innocence.
If you don't learn him you're about to make a kind of child soldier and so are a criminal to me.

You don't buy I'm a former shooter ... as you like.
May I remember you service was mandatory in France in the 1990 when I was 20 ?

And it's the part I had to do, not the one I was doing on my spare time with my uncle and others :D

<edit> my kids ( 6 and 8 ) are not doing any pixel shooting on and off line,they're not ready to do so.

That's balogna and you know it.  You are making the giant and WRONG assumption that the only purpose of guns is to kill something.  That is only one single use, and not even the main purpose anymore.

Using that same reasoning, you wouldn't teach a son of yours about his noodle.  Because you'll ruin his innocence by telling him that he WILL rape someone.
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #88 on: July 14, 2008, 05:04:31 PM »
Straffo,

Do you let your kid(s) go to school with other kids, study history, understand Bastille day, see movies, watch TV? If you really examine everything your child has been exposed to, I think you will realize that the idea of innocence and protection from violence as well as death are a moot point. The kids have already seen graphic violence portrayed in far more detail that I did when growing up in the 50's and 60's.

What you are arguing is your opinion or feeling that mere contact for the child with the weapon is disgusting. Do you feel that way with other tools or mechanical objects?
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Re: A well Regulated Militia
« Reply #89 on: July 14, 2008, 05:19:25 PM »
I'm amazed that this thread can run to six pages. Not so amazed that the girl could strip and reassemble and AR-15. It's just a game to her. No doubt she could strip and reassemble her bicycle, dolls house and a toaster with equal aplomb once properly taught. But (sigh  :frown:) guns are an emotive issue. So off we go on the circular arguments once again.

The picture of the African boy with the AK is not particularly relevant and sod all to do with guns. If you look at that picture and see guns as the issue in Africa. Then you have a very shallow appreciation of the problems in that continent. The girl is playing a game, it's very unlikely she will ever need to use a rifle to defend herself for real even if she does join the service. A gun is something to have fun with. Nice to be able to say the same for the boy.