Damage modeling and other things HT please read this.

[Sturm]

Ok can someone please look into why the FW's once hit in the radiator/engine have about 10 seconds of engine life left?  Get hit in any other plane and you can ride for a lot longer and usually get back to base and land.  Same goes for the oil if hit.  I am not the only one that notices this, and it seems one hit to the engine brings the FW down.  Correct me if I am wrong but with that big radial engine "cept the D-9" the FW's had an advantage when attacking bomber formations.  Another note D-9 had an armored cowling surrounding the engine, is this represented as well?  I thought maybe it was me but a lot of other pilots are noticing it as well.  I do fly alied planes a lot, have to when I get fed up with 1 hit ping deaths.  So it is not a biased oppinion.  Another odd thing, planes seem to blow up quite a lot in here, info for that would be nice.  And last but not least ditching a plane.  I can understand if you ditch away from a runway, but having to be on the runway itself gear down/up and all does not count as a ditch, yet landing your plane in the perimeter of the runway wheels down counts as a ditch.  This one is quite puzzling, how to solve problem is simple.  Since we land for perk point bonuses, landing in field instead of 1.25 modifier make it .25 for ditch/wheels up in field area, and landing wheels down in field area .50.   Wheels up landing on runway 1.0 modifier wheels down of course the 1.25 modifier.  And make it so that a ditch in the field does not count as a death in stats/scoring.  That one really puzzles me.  Thanks I really do think this would work better, I have suggested it to a few others and they like the landing ideas.    

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Sturm 6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[Sturm]

Forgot to be more specific on the ditching.  If you land outside of the perimeter of the runway/base it would count as a ditch.  Wheels up/down in perimteter of runway/base would not count as a ditch.  Just to clarify what I was saying.


Wheels up landing in  perimeter .25 perk points modifier.
Wheels down landing in perimeter .50 perk points modifier.
Wheels up landing on runway 1.0 perk points modifier.
Wheels down landing on runway 1.25 perk points modifier.

Landing outside of perimeter considered a ditch, ditching inside a perimeter will not show up as a ditch in the scoring category.  Simple change that could improve a somewhat frustrating part of the game.  I can understand that you have to because of the skill factor, but lets face it not everytime a pilot in RL was able to make it to a landing strip, and for the most part landing strips were fields not nice paved concrete runways.

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Sturm 6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron

[AKSeaWulfe]

Small oil reserve in the Fw. Technically a P51, if hit in the coolant lines, can still fly from Europe to England on reduced RPMs, reduced throttle and doing something else. I forgot the exact procedure, but I have it in a book laying around at my house.

Some planes last longer than others based on the size of their oil resevouire and how quickly they burn it up.

-SW

[Raubvogel]

Some people are so quick to dismiss any complaint about a LW plane. The 109G10 oil reservoir and radiator was complained about, and guess what? IT WAS WRONG. Don't you think its possible the Fw190D-9 might have a similar problem?

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Raubvogel
LuftJägerKorps

[AKSeaWulfe]

I could tell you that I like Fws a lot and flew them a lot.... but then.... ah... nevermind.
-SW

[Yello1]

Dont know or care much about LW planes heh. But I do concur on the off field wheels down ditch.  If you are in friendly territory and all you need is a fuel drum to reup the plane then should not be huge point loss or count as a kill.  Should be a landed, with lower perk bonus. This is especially annoying as some runway starts are OFF RUNWAY, meaning if you change mind and go back to hangar you lose perks if its a perkplane as the game says you ditched.

[hazed-]

its at times like these i wished i had a scanner..
In a book i have on fw190 aces of the eastern front i have a picture of a 190 that has received a 20mm hit to the engine and 2 mechanics are working on the damage...
caption reads...
'cheif mechanic Unteroffizier Rommer inspects 'his' Fw 190 which returned from ops to siverkaya in mid-1943 with 2 complete cylinder heads shot away from its BMW engine by soviet groundfire.Despite chronic damage to the powerplant itself,the pilot returned safely and made a perfectly routine three point landing.

seawulfe as you said a 'small oil reserve' causes the engine to shut down quickly but id like to know first where you got this information on the Fw's oil reserve.If you are guessing this is the cause, or quoting another BB post,  you are just 'stirring the pot' and just making it even more difficult to question anything LW related.I am absolutely convinced the Fw190 has some form of bug (or maybe this is intentional?) that causes the engine to give out instantly..not 10 seconds!
In my experience if you are hit in the engine it quits instantly.
Ive said it before and ill say it again.....
Ive read NOTHING to suggest the FW190 engine was prone to quiting with any engine damage(overheating in the early versions yes) but i HAVE read about the P51 being VERY prone to damage from ground fire.Often quoting the fact that the radiator underneath being the main cause.
You quote 'holed coolant lines' as your example and this isnt what we are talking about.A holed coolant line could be any size from a pin salamander hole to complete severance.
I have read stories on all aircraft and i was impressed by a story of a P47 pilot getting hit in the engine and loseing ALL his oil but still flew 200 miles home with NO oil!
So i accept the ruggedness of the Jug, I have read stories of the P51s vulnerability so i DONT accept/agree with its present ruggedness in AH. and I have read stories of the 190 taking severe damage and still getting back so I DONT accept/agree with its present vulnerability in AH.
What more can we say? PLEASE EXAMINE THIS ISSUE.


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Hazed
3./JG2



[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 03-23-2001).]

[AKSeaWulfe]

I don't have access to the information right now, but I have the size of the oil reservoir at home in a book and compared to some other plane's it's pretty small.

Hey, what do I know.. it's gotta be an anti-LW conspiracy.

As far as the size of the leak of the P51's coolant, the coolant was empty within a minute from a direct hit to the radiator and coolant lines. It flew all the way back to base.
-SW

[Sturm]

Excellent point hazed, if you can get the author's name, page number, hell i will go to BN and look it up.  Another point the FW A8 should not be susceptible to ground fire as other AC.  I will find the book that has the info, but it had extra armor on hte bootom so when it turned away from teh bomber formation it offered the pilot extra protection from gunners.  Good find there hazed.  

[Jekyll]

AKSeawulf said:

 

As far as the size of the leak of the P51's coolant, the coolant was empty within a minute from a direct hit to the radiator and coolant lines. It flew all the way back to base.

Yeah, but to do this the pilot had to continually pump the primer handle to send raw gas into the cylinder heads, thereby decreasing head temperature.  Now that's something we cannot do in Aces High (unless HT wants to model primers).

The P51 was extremely vulnerable to hits in the radiator, and unless corrective action like the above was taken immediately, the plane simply went down!

To say that it could fly back to base with no radiator fluid is like saying that in Korea, an F86 could fly 300 miles without fuel.  Yes, one F86 did indeed fly 300 miles without fuel, but it was a very special case, and definitely NOT the normal occurrence.


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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11

[hazed-]

the book is 'focke-wulf Fw190 aces of the russian front' by john weal ISBN 1-85532-518-7

oh and its on page 8  



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Hazed
3./JG2